older dogs, need to be out of the kitchen

[kuwaizair]

our kitchen is shaped like a T. with 3 openings. gates are not an option

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[kittrel]

They're cute old doggies! And I can totally understand not wanting them underfoot in the kitchen, it's really smart

[kuwaizair]

I had got my stepdad to stop after anguished cries. that was in the November.my mom just ignores them, proving (to me) sometimes "ignoring the dog" fixes nothing. Like when the black one "begs". we'll sit on the couch and snack/eat and she'll sit, giving us a stare down warbling, grumbling crying and shaking. she gets nothing but still hopes that "maybe if i quiver enough and cry I'll get something!". it would even escalate to some strange dance that looks like she wants to do cartwheeles, or rear up and swing her head and make these "ewooowahhhhhhhhhhheruooooooooooo" sounds

[bunn]

If they are 12-14, then given their size, they could well be around till they are about 16 or older, given proper care.

Being old is not a reason not to look after dogs! Have your parents even thought about the implications of that?

Try saying to them : "OK, so when you are old, you don't want ME to buy you anything or make sure you get your medication?!"

Ignoring really does usually work for begging, so I am wondering if Licorice is on the lookout for accidental crumbs or spills: in your video I'm pretty sure that is what he's looking for! Or could it be that someone in your family secretly treats when nobody is looking? That's not uncommon...

[kuwaizair]

no they don't get secrete treats. it is crumb obecessment. if my mom is tired and eats on the couch sometimes it is like Licorice is right in her face whining.

I don't know if Nina will go for a toy, we had her for a long time, she was given to us by other persons, who got her from someone else. she was never "right". she had no play drive. and never liked going outside for walks or adventures.

and again, she got sick on the peanut butter.

[rockyspaw]

So... crating is definitely out of the question? B/c it would be a lot safer for everyone. : )

[kuwaizair]

"it is mean" they say and other family says "they are to old to learn to go in a crate"

crateing anytime for what ever reasons is mean.

[rockyspaw]

According to them... right? Not to you? I don't really feel like you answered my question, but I'll just say this: maybe you could read up and gently help them understand why it's not mean?

[kuwaizair]

i don't know if the'd lisen or believe it. my mom and aunt(who dosen't live with us) think they are to old to be taught, and I guess my stepdad things it is like punishment. moreso if the craiting is done when we go out of the house. well the only thing we have on hand is a large pet carrier. but that is mean. because then they can't have the couch to lay on, or get water (I guess we could put it in there)

[bunn]

They are obviously finding the kitchen rewarding. From that clip, it looks like either the floor of your kitchen tastes good, or there are crumbs

[kuwaizair]

I once cleaned the floor with the floor cleaning stuff. and licorice(black one) found it even better.

I had to toss them anything I had, anything I could scramble for. if there was bread i picked off a peice of bread.

[swallow_soma]

What happens if you take a treat, walk out of the kitchen (into the same spot each time), and put the treat there? Is it possible to toss little treats out of the kitchen? Because if you reinforce them going to a different spot by giving a treat there, they will begin going to that spot on their own, hoping you'll give them a treat.

Also, it is possible to make a training difference even if your parents aren't 100% on board. The dogs can and will learn that if YOU are around, they can earn a treat by staying in a spot out of the kitchen. If your parents see that it works nicely for you, they may be more interested in giving it a try!

[kuwaizair]

i do. and if i put it out and go in, the'll follow me.

that and my stepdad does something else. i cry in anguish "NOO use 'away' and do this" (unfortunalty the hand signal I devised is the same as the "wanker" gesture............ :C)

I do throw the treats out of the kitchen. when I'm doing this food is always flying out into the door ways

[miss_teacher]

Why are baby gates not an option? They make gates that will cover opening over 10 feet so a wide opening is not a problem.

[kuwaizair]

i would need 3 of them. and again, my stepdad might think it unessesary and my mom would rather not spend the money for that when she keeps thinking the dogs only have weeks or months left. I swear she's been saying it for 3 years now.

[miss_teacher]

Then your problems are with your mom and stepdad, not with the dogs. There are plenty of things you can do for management or for training, and you've tried a few of them, but if your parents won't pay for gates and won't stop undermining your training then there's not too much you can do.

You can can keep trying to teach them to go to their place, but it'll take a lot longer since your parents won't help. However, the dogs can leave to stay out of the kitchen when you are in there and then just do whatever they want when your parents are in there. Your training can bleed over and help your parents, too, but it will take a lot of time and a lot more training.

So it all comes down to how much do you want them out of the kitchen or how much can you take listening to your parents complain about them being in the kitchen.

Human family members are so much harder to train than dogs.

I don't know how to get them "bed" and have the treat there, without running back and forth.This is how to teach it