"The only water in the forest is the river." Moffat, I spent the entire episode with my inner Sherlock yelling obvious, but kudos to having planned everything out so far in advance
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He'd planned some of it in 1995 according to an archived post found in Google Groups. But yes, it was really obvious, and not any kind of cliffhanger at all. Although it did rather make me ask where the war was because I must have missed that bit.
I'm not sure about the regenerating because she didn't regenerate in the Library so can she regenerate or not? And the whole thing raises so many questions, like why didn't the Doctor ever notice she has Time Lord/Lady DNA if they can sense each other? And she knows his name too, is that because she has the DNA or because of some future intimate relationship?
I've thought from the second she said about killing the best man she had ever known that it was the Doctor.
PS Did you notice the name of the Cockney servant girl with whassername? I was surprised, unless it was intentional.
Servant girl, I can't remember right now but it did strike me at the time. *googles* Jenny... I can't find it! I even attempted to skim iplayer for it.
I've just been on Moffat's twitter and he says 8 year olds should have been able to guess about River. But yes, that wasn't so much a war as a rolling over and letting them in. I suppose it was all for the poem really. Unless it is a war which has just started, we are going to see Hitler next after all...
You'd think the TARDIS might have pinged time lord dna when River was around before. Maybe Alex Kingston is her last regeneration, and/or half-halfs have fewer.
Her name is only said once, I think, when Madame wassername enters the house.
Maybe the war does come in the next bit. The title alone of that makes me nervous. It's such a touchy subject and although I know Doctor Who would never do anything too offensive, I never thought they'd have a storyline about using a baby as a weapon either...
Since when does the TARDIS tell the Doctor anything? ;)
Oh, something I wanted to know that I'd forgotten about: why on Earth is the Doctor carrying his old cot round with him, and what does it say on it that indicates who River is????
I think she just called her Jenny then, I thought it was when there was fighting and that's why some people missed it. I'll watch it ALL the way through and not jump, less chance of missing it again.
The scan said Amy was pg/not-pg, it might have said "Ho, a half-time lord. Hello."
I imagine the TARDIS contains all sorts of stored things, but how did he get it when he didn't get the TARDIS til Gallifrey was being destroyed? Did he go back in time to pack up his house?Maybe it doesn't say who River is, maybe it says the Doctor's real name in Gallifreyan, since River knows it. Only choice is to learn Gallifreyan to find out.
That's what got me, "Oh blimey, home planet being destroyed, better run back to my house and clear everything out into the TARDIS." Yeah, that's plausible...
I thought it would say the Doctor's name on the cot but why does River tell Amy that if she reads it it will tell her who River is? Or am I missing something there?
Unless he found it many years later in a space-junk shop. The blue trader might have had it.
Hmm, maybe River thinks Amy knows his name. But why would anything to do with River be in Gallifreyan...unless it's something the Doctor does in our/his future and it's some sort of loop thing.
Do tell if you spot the funny, it's starting to annoy me. I even dl-ed and watched what would have been on live and couldn't find it.
But surely if the planet was destroyed and also Time Locked, that would include all his personal artefacts too. Eugh, none of the stuff about the cot makes any sense.
The bit with the name you mean? I watched it again on iPlayer and it's the first time Madame Vashta is shown. When she goes into the drawing room and sees the TARDIS. Servant girl: It just appeared. What does it mean? Madame: It means a very old debt is to be repaid. Pack the cases, Jenny, we're going to need the swords.
I totally thought I heard another bit later with all the shooting where Madam called her Miss..... (risque word or something). Maybe I did dream it.
Maybe our future Doctor sneaks it into past Doctor's TARDIS. Idk it's all loopy, Moffat probably hasn't thought that bit through, but that seems highly unlikely.
There's someone in the doctorwho comm who's been doing transcripts of this series but ze's running a bit behind at the moment. Hopefully a transcript of this episode will be available soon so we can have a look and find out!
I'm not sure about the regenerating because she didn't regenerate in the Library so can she regenerate or not? And the whole thing raises so many questions, like why didn't the Doctor ever notice she has Time Lord/Lady DNA if they can sense each other? And she knows his name too, is that because she has the DNA or because of some future intimate relationship?
I've thought from the second she said about killing the best man she had ever known that it was the Doctor.
PS Did you notice the name of the Cockney servant girl with whassername? I was surprised, unless it was intentional.
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I've just been on Moffat's twitter and he says 8 year olds should have been able to guess about River. But yes, that wasn't so much a war as a rolling over and letting them in. I suppose it was all for the poem really. Unless it is a war which has just started, we are going to see Hitler next after all...
You'd think the TARDIS might have pinged time lord dna when River was around before. Maybe Alex Kingston is her last regeneration, and/or half-halfs have fewer.
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Maybe the war does come in the next bit. The title alone of that makes me nervous. It's such a touchy subject and although I know Doctor Who would never do anything too offensive, I never thought they'd have a storyline about using a baby as a weapon either...
Since when does the TARDIS tell the Doctor anything? ;)
Oh, something I wanted to know that I'd forgotten about: why on Earth is the Doctor carrying his old cot round with him, and what does it say on it that indicates who River is????
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The scan said Amy was pg/not-pg, it might have said "Ho, a half-time lord. Hello."
I imagine the TARDIS contains all sorts of stored things, but how did he get it when he didn't get the TARDIS til Gallifrey was being destroyed? Did he go back in time to pack up his house?Maybe it doesn't say who River is, maybe it says the Doctor's real name in Gallifreyan, since River knows it. Only choice is to learn Gallifreyan to find out.
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I thought it would say the Doctor's name on the cot but why does River tell Amy that if she reads it it will tell her who River is? Or am I missing something there?
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Hmm, maybe River thinks Amy knows his name. But why would anything to do with River be in Gallifreyan...unless it's something the Doctor does in our/his future and it's some sort of loop thing.
Do tell if you spot the funny, it's starting to annoy me. I even dl-ed and watched what would have been on live and couldn't find it.
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The bit with the name you mean? I watched it again on iPlayer and it's the first time Madame Vashta is shown. When she goes into the drawing room and sees the TARDIS.
Servant girl: It just appeared. What does it mean?
Madame: It means a very old debt is to be repaid. Pack the cases, Jenny, we're going to need the swords.
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Maybe our future Doctor sneaks it into past Doctor's TARDIS. Idk it's all loopy, Moffat probably hasn't thought that bit through, but that seems highly unlikely.
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a. Did we dream it?
b. Have the BBC cut it from iplayer?
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