Alas no. I don't even buy the [London] 'Times' anymore, in fact haven't bought it since Roops took it over in '82 or'83 - and that was the crossword I really loved.
Yes, but if I had my way I'd imprison the whole damn lot of 'em: the Imams; the Rabbis; the Priests and pastors; and all the other folk who think that their beliefs give them license to behave inhumanely. And I don't give a toss about what the Dems or Republicans say about this. But then again, I may have issues with religions. And most supernatural belief systems, too. (I'd let the Quakers and Buddhists be - they seem benign enough.) Any religion thats ever gone to war forfeits its right to speak of morals. No god has ever needed the protection of human assassin.
1. Everyone has the right to say whatever they want. Period. Thats a freedom. Actions are completely different things. Organizing the actions is another story as well.
2. Compared to Imams, there really isn't a lot of priests or pastors spewing forth hate and killing in modern times.
1. Wasn't disagreeing. 2. But even I can name some: and I'm neither and American Hater, or an apologist for Islam. i)Co-president of Vision America, Pastor Laurence Wright, made an intersting call to arms recently. ii)The president and founder of Teen Mania, a Christian revivalist youth ministry, Ron Luce.
But when these chaps say such stuff, it's metaphorical. Six of one and half a dozen of the other. Lock 'em all up on an island somewhere, then they can battle it out amongst themselves and leave sensible people to lead reasonable rational lives without madmen exhorting them to Kill for God, or undead babies, or some other thing which infuriates them enough to kill. Please note - I wouldn't hang them, just imprison them forever.
Yes, there are always some on every side. That is a truth.
Heres the differences:
1. The Pastors and priests don't have people actually committing the acts they are telling people to do. 2. If we listed all the Islam radical preachers who preach killing and hate, and then did the same for Pastors and priests there would a lot more Islam radical preachers.
Well, over here we hear of clinics getting firebombed and doctors occasionally being shot - now it certainly isn't on the same scale - but only because the perpetrators haven't managed to convice enough folk that they're right. And they want to. And I really don't want them to. When you have 'Christians' arguing for war and violence you know that the denial of Jesus' ministry of peace, forgiveness and turning the other cheek is being implemented quite as well as the Catholic Church managed from 1089 onwards. They don't need an Urban II.
Which is exactly correct. The few whack jobs there are for Christians cannot get a huge following like the whack jobs for Islam.
The bible, the core of the religion, says that murder is bad but make no mistake in thinking that it says you have to turn the cheek all the time. Ecclesiastes 3:8 says, “There is a time for war and a time for peace.”
Ecclesiastes is, as I'm sure you know, a book of the OT. Throughout the NT Jesus is depicted as saying specifically that his ministry comes to change and perfect Mosaic law - which is why Christians aren't required to be Jewish. (That and the opinions of Saul of Tarsus - who opened the religion up to gentiles
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'but make no mistake in thinking that it says you have to turn the cheek all the time' specifically denies the Sermon on the Mount. Are you sure you're a Christian?
Ihave never said that I beleive in god or don't beleive in god. So thats out of the picture. I'm just saying those people who say that Chrisitans have to sit back and take are wrong. Go ask a Chaplain. They will explain everything to you.
This still doesn't change the fact that Islam kills more people today than the beleif of Jesus and God.
I think we'll find, over the last five years, that we've killed an awful lot of Islamic folk - amongst them many innocents as collateral damage. As to totals...I'd say it was pretty much in the balance, but I may be wrong: but I don't know, y'see, if Islamists have managed to kill over half-a million people in the same time frame. Because that's pretty much what we (the good guys) have done.
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But then again, I may have issues with religions. And most supernatural belief systems, too. (I'd let the Quakers and Buddhists be - they seem benign enough.)
Any religion thats ever gone to war forfeits its right to speak of morals.
No god has ever needed the protection of human assassin.
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2. Compared to Imams, there really isn't a lot of priests or pastors spewing forth hate and killing in modern times.
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2. But even I can name some: and I'm neither and American Hater, or an apologist for Islam.
i)Co-president of Vision America, Pastor Laurence Wright, made an intersting call to arms recently.
ii)The president and founder of Teen Mania, a Christian revivalist youth ministry, Ron Luce.
But when these chaps say such stuff, it's metaphorical.
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Lock 'em all up on an island somewhere, then they can battle it out amongst themselves and leave sensible people to lead reasonable rational lives without madmen exhorting them to Kill for God, or undead babies, or some other thing which infuriates them enough to kill.
Please note - I wouldn't hang them, just imprison them forever.
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Heres the differences:
1. The Pastors and priests don't have people actually committing the acts they are telling people to do.
2. If we listed all the Islam radical preachers who preach killing and hate, and then did the same for Pastors and priests there would a lot more Islam radical preachers.
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When you have 'Christians' arguing for war and violence you know that the denial of Jesus' ministry of peace, forgiveness and turning the other cheek is being implemented quite as well as the Catholic Church managed from 1089 onwards.
They don't need an Urban II.
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The bible, the core of the religion, says that murder is bad but make no mistake in thinking that it says you have to turn the cheek all the time. Ecclesiastes 3:8 says, “There is a time for war and a time for peace.”
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verses 28-29
28: And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
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This still doesn't change the fact that Islam kills more people today than the beleif of Jesus and God.
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Because that's pretty much what we (the good guys) have done.
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