Primaries and caucuses often do have than internecine quality about them - civil war before the war. It takes care of some of the opposition research work for the other side in the general election.
Thanks for this. Things have gotten to the point where I'm almost afraid to admit that I'm still a Hillary supporter (and before anyone says anything, I made this decision after a LOT of thought, I have my reasons, and I honestly don't want to argue about it). I have nothing against Bernie, I actually agree with him about a lot of things, but I have to be true to my own convictions, and I am sticking with Hill for now. And that one graphic honestly seems not only harsh but factually distorted to me.
I honestly don't see why it's necessary for either side to resort to that sort of thing. From what I can see, both candidates share a lot of the same values and goals; the differences are less about where we want to go than about how to get there. Especially when you compare either of them to any of the GOP crazies. I would therefore very much rather save the mudslinging and slurs for whichever of those crazies ends up going up against either Hillary or Bernie later this year.
Bernie has more cross-over appeal to GOP voters than Clinton does. Sure some will hear socialism and run from it, but how many of *those* GOP voters could possibly be swayed to Clinton?
I'm willing to bet the farm that Clinton's electability does not reside in her ability to win over large swaths of GOP voters.
Bernie does better with GOP voters and if he can win the necessary DEM votes to become the nominee, who's left, IND voters? IND voters are Bernie's specialty!
Or am I misunderstanding and you think general election DEM voters will flip out and vote against Bernie in the generals, despite him winning the party primary?
I know that anecdotal evidence is worthless, but I am one Republican voter who can say with confidence that I wouldn't ever vote for Hillary, but I would vote for Bernie if he ran against Cruz or Trump.
I have no idea how common this voting pattern would be. I know that Bernie's positions are actually farther from my beliefs than Hillary's are, but I also feel like we need someone in the Presidency who has new ideas and pushes a new agenda. I'm confident the Congress will temper his crazy plans down to something worthwhile.
The real key, for me, is that Hillary doesn't believe in anything but getting elected (and neither do Trump or Cruz). She will gladly change position on any issue in order to win the election (as will Trump or Cruz). Bernie actually cares about what he is saying and what he believes, and I feel like that makes him a better President.
Ideally, I'd want John Huntsman or Michael Bloomberg to run, so I could vote for them. :)
I like Kasich, and would vote for him over Sanders. Rubio vs. Sanders would be tough...a month ago I'd have chosen Rubio, but as time goes on and he continues to stick his foot in his mouth and reveal who he is, I'm more and more likely to choose Sanders. I really liked Christie, but he's out now.
So you may not have heard about this, but Bernie won 25% of the GOP vote in VT. I know VT is a small sample size, but also the fact that Bernie is the only candidate, on either side, who has a nation wide net positive approval rating
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Well, that is VERY interesting. Thanks for educating me.
I know a lot of Repubs don't care for Hillary, but I think that if Trump got the GOP nom, a lot of the non-crazy ones who realize how dangerous he is would vote for her. I don't know what percent of the GOP voting base that is, however. :-/
Afaic, either Bernie or Hillary would be immeasurably better than any of those GOP assclowns. I'm sticking with Hillary for now, but I'll support anyone who gets the Dem nomination.
I'm sure I would anyway (see icon), but it's never been more true than in 2016.
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I honestly don't see why it's necessary for either side to resort to that sort of thing. From what I can see, both candidates share a lot of the same values and goals; the differences are less about where we want to go than about how to get there. Especially when you compare either of them to any of the GOP crazies. I would therefore very much rather save the mudslinging and slurs for whichever of those crazies ends up going up against either Hillary or Bernie later this year.
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How far do they want to go?
It does overlap with the other question, if you wanted to mix words, but to me it's a "how far" thing.
They both wanna work on the same issues, Bernie just seems to be aiming at a higher mark in the same path.
Raise min-wage to 12? no, 15!
Regulate too big to fail? no, break em up!
Improve Obamacare? no, medicare for all!
Would I accept the first option? Sure. I think the second goes further in the same way, going to the same place, in similar ways.
Not to try and argue when you said you don't wanna argue; just sharing my thoughts.
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I'm willing to bet the farm that Clinton's electability does not reside in her ability to win over large swaths of GOP voters.
Bernie does better with GOP voters and if he can win the necessary DEM votes to become the nominee, who's left, IND voters? IND voters are Bernie's specialty!
Or am I misunderstanding and you think general election DEM voters will flip out and vote against Bernie in the generals, despite him winning the party primary?
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I have no idea how common this voting pattern would be. I know that Bernie's positions are actually farther from my beliefs than Hillary's are, but I also feel like we need someone in the Presidency who has new ideas and pushes a new agenda. I'm confident the Congress will temper his crazy plans down to something worthwhile.
The real key, for me, is that Hillary doesn't believe in anything but getting elected (and neither do Trump or Cruz). She will gladly change position on any issue in order to win the election (as will Trump or Cruz). Bernie actually cares about what he is saying and what he believes, and I feel like that makes him a better President.
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I like Kasich, and would vote for him over Sanders. Rubio vs. Sanders would be tough...a month ago I'd have chosen Rubio, but as time goes on and he continues to stick his foot in his mouth and reveal who he is, I'm more and more likely to choose Sanders. I really liked Christie, but he's out now.
I would vote for Kasich or Rubio over Clinton.
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I know a lot of Repubs don't care for Hillary, but I think that if Trump got the GOP nom, a lot of the non-crazy ones who realize how dangerous he is would vote for her. I don't know what percent of the GOP voting base that is, however. :-/
Afaic, either Bernie or Hillary would be immeasurably better than any of those GOP assclowns. I'm sticking with Hillary for now, but I'll support anyone who gets the Dem nomination.
I'm sure I would anyway (see icon), but it's never been more true than in 2016.
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