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hardblue October 5 2015, 14:51:33 UTC
America has always been a lover of exhaust-spewing cars;
it's practically the trademark of freedom. I guess.

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unnamed525 October 5 2015, 14:52:50 UTC
Freedumb.

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hardblue October 5 2015, 14:58:51 UTC
Well, back in the 1950s, I don't suppose anyone thought we could be a problem for the world's environment. The world was a much bigger place then (in people's minds).

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yes_justice October 6 2015, 07:30:42 UTC
Far earlier than 1950's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science), but by then we had established some understanding of norms, and began to measure dramatic unprecidented shifts.

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ponitacupcake October 5 2015, 17:10:33 UTC
US and EU emissions standards are different and neither are better.

I think all carmakers are awful to some degree. I thought this was interesting:

"In the United States, automakers conduct their own emissions tests and submit the results to the government. In Europe, automakers pick who conducts the tests and where they are done. And these two regulatory systems are considered the world’s gold standards."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/25/business/international/volkswagen-emissions-pollution-regulations.html?_r=0

Germans do love their diesels though. I wouldn't mind an old diesel Benz, they're pretty cool.

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hardblue October 5 2015, 17:55:44 UTC
And these two regulatory systems are considered the world’s gold standards

It really is all a bad joke.

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ponitacupcake October 5 2015, 18:00:13 UTC
yup

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fieryphoenix October 5 2015, 21:09:10 UTC
That I didn't know. So basically, the in-house and subcontracted equivalents of the trust system, respectively. At least they have to pretend to try, I guess, which is a step above open, antagonistic disregard.

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ponitacupcake October 6 2015, 01:58:14 UTC
True. I was really shocked to read that!

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anfalicious October 6 2015, 23:02:53 UTC
The pretending makes it worse IMO.

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fieryphoenix October 7 2015, 12:33:43 UTC
I was coming from the angle that in pretending, one has to at least take action that has a nonzero effect to go through the motions. You're right, though, in that it can often be worse in that people feel complacent that something is being done, even if that something is virtually nothing.

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hindustar October 6 2015, 01:26:15 UTC
Wow. =(

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peristaltor October 6 2015, 02:03:25 UTC
It's a bit worse, actually. Many of the states conduct emissions tests for licensing. Old cars like mine get the tail pipe sniff test. If the car has a data jack (like the VW diesels), they just plug in and record what the car has been programmed to tell the data collector.

Which is why no one bothered to notice that the actual emissions were different from the reported emissions. The testing companies went with (and were allowed to go with) the least expensive option.

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ponitacupcake October 6 2015, 02:09:48 UTC
Wow.

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fieryphoenix October 6 2015, 06:31:11 UTC
What a trusting world! Also, that means the best time to get one's car inspected is during cold season, yes?

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