Karl Giberson, Ph.D: Is Accepting Evolution 'Optional' For Christians?

Jun 09, 2011 00:42

Many people are frightened of anything they don't understand, and, rather than trying to find out more about it and gain understanding of it, which would mitigate the fear, they attack it. If what they don't understand is scientific in nature, they attack it and also whoever has any expertise in it, labeling the first as "deception" or "heresy" or ( Read more... )

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polaris93 June 10 2011, 01:49:56 UTC
Since when is "Karl Giberson, Ph.D" the name of a woman? That's the name of the author, after all.

All right, if this is a rejection of evolutionary theory, cool, but I'm going to go right on believing that it is an accurate description of the history of life on Earth (the origin of that life is a different question entirely, but that's another matter, for another day). I've seen more than enough evidence that, together with the logic of it all, to convince me that it a) makes sense and b) fits all the data. If you disagree, cool, but that won't change my opinion. The problem isn't from you. It's from assholes who shove Bibles under my nose and yell that "It shows on page such-and-such that so-and-so, which proves that evolution is a lie, a fraud, and a demonic deception." They also frequently state that "we know that scientists are all frauds, so evolution is a fraud." How do they know that scientists are all frauds? Because televangelist So-and-so said so. Which is their expertise.

This is all about how we define "expert", isn't it? Would you go to a bone surgeon to treat you for pancreatitis? Or a carpenter to diagnose and repair your car? Hell, no, not unless that individual also had real expertise in the field with which your problem was concerned. As far as I can see, that's what the author of that article was talking about. And see my comments, below, about the "experts" who ruined my life. Do NOT preach at me about the sort of lying bastards who call themselves "experts" and use that term to justify ruining people's lives -- I've had my own life ruined by a whole string of them, thank you very much.

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mauser June 10 2011, 07:11:14 UTC
This isn't about Evolution. Evolution is just a convenient stalking-horse from which to launch the elitist message.

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polaris93 June 12 2011, 23:57:03 UTC
Not for me. I know most people despise the sciences. I don't. Many scientists have their heads up their asses, granted. But there really is such a thing as expertise. For example, how much do you know about cosmology, quantum mechanics, evolutionary biology, or oncology? There are specialists in those fields who know a great deal about them, and in the case of the oncologist, his expertise could save your life at some point. So what we're arguing over here is the definitions of "expert" and "expertise." For me, they respectively mean "one who is trained and educated in a certain field or fields," and "the knowledge and skills possessed by an expert."

If I come down with a serious illness or sustain a bad wound, I'll go to someone with expertise in treating such conditions, not just anybody picked at random. How about you?

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mauser June 13 2011, 00:10:22 UTC
I expect to CONSULT with an expert, not be ordered around by one.

An auto mechanic may be an expert, but sometimes they tell you you need repairs that you don't actually need.

What this person is arguing is "Shut up and listen to us experts" That ONLY anointed experts have anything meaningful to say.

I am not anti-science by any means, nor am I religious. but consider that these same scientists who (rightly) criticizing Creation Mythology (but since when is Mythology a scientific field?) would also tell you that you're a fool for believing in Magick.

The heart of the problem is that he's arguing not about the FACTS, but arguing the logical Fallacy "Appeal to Authority", and using creation as the red herring to justify it.

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polaris93 June 20 2011, 04:28:29 UTC
Both Left/liberals and Right/cosnervatives spend a great deal of time ordering people around, including me. I have actually been ordered to give up my interest in evolution and other biological sciences by people who call themselves religious conservatives, who, as far as I'm concerned, can go to hell. I've also been ordered by a couple of scientists to embrace atheism, and I told them to go to hell. So the hell with people.

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