Sam Article

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Thought of the Day: Where to post my Sam article

Well, I'm working on a Sam in Season 4 article for Fanpop, but now I'm not sure I want to post it there. It's not exactly flattering; I talk about how he acts like an addict from the first episode. I don't feel like defending my opinion and there's some very nice Samgirls on Fanpop whom I know will

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Hey, Ally! =D How ya doin'?

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I know, Sam has been so aggravating this season. I try to go easy on him, because I don't want to hate him but this season has made me realize how much I -well, kind of dislike Sam sometimes and have from the beginning. The qualities that have become so aggravating are things he's had all along-arrogance, condescension, selfishness, thirst for vengeance- they've just really come to the forefront in S4.
But now that we're watching S1 on the Viewing Party I can see those parts of him more clearly and half the time I want to smack Sam!
Like how callous he was towards Dean in the Pilot, refusing at first to go with him. *smack*
(And I don't care what the Samgirls say- going away to college and abandoning his family was selfish)
And in Dead in the Water- how he accuses Dean of giving up on finding John. *smack*
And his selfishness in Scarecrow, going after John when he knew that there were people who were going to die if they didn't save them. *smack*
Sometimes he just acts like a spoiled little brat. :PPP
I never realized until S4, just how much he irritated me sometimes. I don't hate Sam but I am a Deangirl, just like you. XD I deliberately try to be objective when it comes to Sam. And I can see his good qualities and all the mitigating circumstances and everything but...I just don't sympathize with him! I understand him but I don't relate to him, you know?
I just gotta say- he's got some serious atoning to do in S5! (which I can hardly wait for!!) =D

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hah! my thoughts exactly! ♥

I try to go easy on Sam .. but he just .. pisses me off. LOL

& I know when we watch Asylum with the viewing party it's going to piss me off A LOT more this time - because Sam tried to KILL Dean and shot him with rocksalt ... it's like season four (SAV and WTLB) .. only earlier! (foreshadowing perhaps?) =O! ♥

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Oh yeah- it's definitely foreshadowing IMO. Sam has always had issues with Dean, latent anger at him for the way he takes charge- his "bossiness". I think that was one of Sam's major issues after Dean got back in S4. He had become accustomed to calling the shots and he didn't want to relinquish the driver's seat to Dean. Of course, while he was in the driver's seat he did some incredibly stupid things. So personally, I think Sam should let Dean drive for the most part! =DD

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hah yeah! ♥

I understand Sam wanting to have his own life - and make his own choices but the choices he makes are always SO horrible. he NEEDS Dean to guide him. he's just too busy being pissed off to see just how much Dean loves him .. just how much John loved him. he's the only Winchester who wouldn't do everything for his family .. in fact he hurts them without even seeming to care - he left them for Stanford, he left Dean again for California (to get John), he tried to kill Dean, he called Dean weak more than once and he let him rot in hell for four months.

I know he tried to get Dean out of hell that one time but after that he gave up and focused on revenge with Ruby (a demon) while his brother was rotting away in HELL, partly because of said demon. >_<

I don't know. Sam .. is selfish. I think that's really what it's come down to over the seasons.

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Yeah, I agree, I think Sam's inherently selfish and he really needs Dean to help him see past himself.
Like in Shadow- Dean's the one who tells Sam that they should split up- that John's safer without them around. Sam just wanted in on the fight- that's the only reason he wanted to go with John. Dean wanted them to be together as a family- wanted it desperately. But he's the one who stepped up to the plate and sacrificed what he wanted so that everyone would be safer. Which is what he always does.
Then in AVSC- Dean asks for one thing from his brother- Christmas. And what does Sam do? Whines about how much it will hurt him to pretend that everything's going to be ok. He pulled through in the end and gave Dean Christmas- but c'mon Sam! After everything Dean's done for him, he couldn't just give a little back without bitching about it first?

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Urgh yes! i'd forgotten about that.

also in "the monster at the end of this book" when Sam refuses to leave - and in "when the levee breaks" when Dean pretty much begs him to hunt Lillith down (just without Ruby) and Sam says no .. I don't understand how he can keep breaking Dean's heart like that! ♥ if I was Dean i'd punch Sam a lot more. lol

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Yeah, Sam all through S4 has treated Dean with a total lack of respect and trust. He thinks he knows better than Dean- even after all these years, he still acts surprised when Dean shows that he's read a book! Dean's not stupid. He's just never applied himself to his education like Sam did. He applied himself to hunting instead. And after everything they've been through together it still amazes me that Sam trusted RUBY over Dean. He can be so frickin' gullible! And I think he wanted to believe that he was more important than Dean. If you notice, all through the series, people(mainly demons) have been telling Sam that he's meant for something, that he's stronger than Dean, that he has this big destiny. Then when the angels tell them that Dean's the one with the destiny I think that grated on Sam. HE's always been the "special" one, not Dean. He couldn't let that go and support his brother, trust him, help him. If he'd put his own ego aside and had faith in Dean, things would have turned out a lot different. But of course the demons and angels probably wouldn't have let that happen.

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Sam this season has reminded me a lot of Meg in BUABS

"I can see it in your eyes Dean, you're worthless, you couldn't save your dad and deep down you know you can't save your brother, they would have been better off without you"

the things Sam's said to Dean this season are just as bad, if not worse (cause' it's actually Sam!) then the things Meg said to Dean.

truth be told I think Dean is stronger than Sam will ever be - demon!powers or not.

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They are totally worse! Regardless of whether or not Sam is more powerful (with his demon juice) than Dean, what the hell gives him the right to brush Dean off like that? I've made a comment that he should be more humble- and a Samgirl responded what does he have to be humble about? =O Just because you've got power doesn't mean you should let it go to your head!
And I agree, I used to think that Sam was more emotionally resilient than Dean, but now I don't think so. He broke so fast after Dean's death it made my head spin. Dean held out for decades! Plus, he didn't even have a reason to hold out, so to speak. He didn't know that his actions were going to affect anyone but the damned. Sam knew that what he was doing could potentially turn him into a monster who would become a threat to other people.
I read an essay in "In the Hunt: Unauthorized Essays on Supernatural" -the gist of it was that Sam was incapable of being a hero without Dean. And I totally agree. He goes through the motions (like he did in Mystery Spot) but he abandons his humanity in favor of ruthlessness. IMO he becomes exactly like Gordon.

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Exactly. He reminds me a lot of Gordon .. even though he started out with good intentions .. it's turned into a NEED for demon blood, a NEED for power and for being told "you ARE the one Sam! you're special, you were meant for this".

ALSO his "i'm NOT like you!" thing to both his father and Dean .. he's so wrong. he's EXACTLY like John, he's blood thirsty - he wants revenge and he wants it NOW, and he'll get it HIS way even if his family suffers the consequences - and I also think at times his rage (//killing habits) is worse then Dean's ever was.

something that the Sam!girls don't seem to understand is that I really really don't hate Sam - I really don't .. without him there would be no show/no Dean (at least not like we see him anyway) I just think that the choices he makes are not only hurting his family but himself as well! eeesh! it drives me crazy because if Sam would just STOP for a minute and realize that he is NOT entitled to some luxury life//king of hell spot .. he could be an amazing guy and at times he IS. >.< eesh! he has the potiental ; he just abuses it incredibly until I end up wanting to smack him. lol :)

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I agree! He's so full of rage- he just disguises it better. He represses his emotions but that only makes it worse.
And you're right about his potential. He can be a great guy, as evidenced time and again. But he's become so arrogant, so sure that his way is the only way that he's lost sight of who he really is. :(
And I decided to post my Sam article here- in fact I just did! =D
It's way too long. I only posted part of it and it's still way too long. *facepalm* Well, it's for my own need to express my issues with Sam. So...there! lol =DD