Gadreel and audience expectations

[pocochina]

I could give a long list of things that I like about Carver's run of the show so far and it'd be totally honest. He's doing a lot of interesting stuff. But I think the core reason I'm enjoying it so much is that he manages to give me what I want but not at all in the way I'd expect it. And I think the opposite of that is happening for a lot of

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[cuddyclothes]

I have to admit, once Rachel Driver started playing her, I dug Meg, both evil and otherwise. I remember her being tortured by Corin (No Discernible Personality) and laughing hysterically. When he asks why, she says, "Dean Winchester's behind you!" The actress was undeniably charismatic. I never felt that she and Sam had a special relationship (is that up there somewhere in the post?) esp. since he had possessed him and tried to kill Dean when he wouldn't kill Sam. Her relationship with the brothers shifted--I can't remember when--but what she did was never excusable. And certainly Ruby was (in a relative sense) less harmful in the long run. She didn't kill anybody.

When Meg said, "Since when I am not Team Sam?" I was hoping he'd say, "Always." But no, they needed someone else for Sam to talk to about his year away besides Dean. Anyway, it's totally twisted of me, but I loved Meg and was heartbroken when she died. Not anything compared to the way I felt when Kevin died.

[pocochina]

I liked her too. Fandom has started to sour me on her, but really, whenever I've rewatched one of her episodes from the later seasons I've always enjoyed the character a lot.

When Meg said, "Since when I am not Team Sam?" I was hoping he'd say, "Always." But no, they needed someone else for Sam to talk to about his year away besides Dean.This is my PROBLEM. Like, the ~special bond~ she claims they have comes from that time she POSSESSED HIM. And that's gross, obviously, and it's really gross that people claim that as a straightforward good. That said, even though SHE POSSESSED HIM and is generally AWFUL, she is STILL more supportive of Sam than anyone else in Sam's life at that point. But that doesn't mean she's good, it means the people around Sam are major assholes TO SAM. And people using the fact that her victimization of him, as bad as it was, is pretty far in Sam's rearview mirror to claim that Sam SHOULD fret and fawn over her is what I mean about the expectation that Sam be truer to everyone else's feelings than his own

[cuddyclothes]

it means the people around Sam are major assholes TO SAM. And people using the fact that her victimization of him, as bad as it was, is pretty far in Sam's rear view mirror

But is it? He's always kept very far away from her, and has been quite hostile. Although Dean is generally "c'mon, Sam, what's your problem?" But then, that's how Dean is toward Sam 24/7. That Sam can even remember his own name without being prompted strikes me as amazing at this point.

[pocochina]

Fair point. Though by Sam's standards, "this person/entity hasn't beaten the crap out of me, roofied me, or called me sub-human trash in months" is normal person flowers and chocolate, so.

But yeah, Meg and Gabriel are the only two entities Sam's ever really been able to stay pissed at, and even then it's because they made the mistake of trying to get at him through Dean.

[cuddyclothes]

Fair point. Though by Sam's standards, "this person/entity hasn't beaten the crap out of me, roofied me, or called me sub-human trash in months" is normal person flowers and chocolate, so.

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