Do you mean the responses to People who Stan for traumatized male characters?
Yes and yes I can agree. And I do think female trauma...I think it is borderline tolerated in that if it is overly discussed people can term that character as selfish? I think your Janice example too kind of would be the automatic response from the audience?
But yeah I think it is more seen as an agenda rather than true empathy if you stan for a traumatized character who is also a guy.
But yeah I think it is more seen as an agenda rather than true empathy if you stan for a traumatized character who is also a guy.
Yeah, exactly. It's like "you must be falling for his act" and obviously couldn't possibly be psychological interest, human compassion, or actually being able to empathize with him.
I think for sure watching for psychological interest because it is genuinely engaging...I did have to qualify that over characters that while I didn't necessarily empathize with--I have those I do personally and those I don't--I found so so interesting and that appraocj really wasn't found that acceptable either lol.:/ I did have to say 'its not that I'd fantasize about him lol.' it's beyond frustrating to even have to divide those things to that degree to not really be discounted in discussion.
I definitely agree with you on a lot of the points here in that I do think there is a disparity and I have definitely been on the side where I did feel that fandom valued the guy's opinion over the woman...actually most of the guys and it more than sucked because I empathized with her. And in general it does suck when you empathize and you come across a bias. And a refusal of the story at all, it does cause a lot of frustration
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I agree so much with Tyrion because really I had him pegged as a fan favorite too. I have most definitely stayed out of the tumblr realm even though I used to search there a lot. There was a really bad vibe and I think people...I don't know if I can fully say they are unaware here0-0. I just had to give up and I agree with your reason for the behavior. I was uncomfortable for a lot of the ideas and the things people ignore in regards to Tyrion-Sansa.
For Jeremy I don't get a direct tell tell thing. I wondered some things like and if I had to guess I think it is a judgment on his mental state. Tbh he is very understandable to me but I think there is a disregard in the aftermath of what he has a right to feel, kind of like Tyrion but different. Idk :/ it is creepy.
I don't think the people saying this are saying it just to pile on other fans, or shame them or bash them? I think it's a reaction born out of frustration with the disparity (which I do think exists) between fandom's far more sympathetic and empathetic response to male characters who've suffered trauma, than female charactersOften, yes, but it still has the same distressing result? Because: yes, male characters are, overwhelmingly, more likely than women to have a broad variety of experiences. Human experience being varied, that means that when people do see something that resonates with them on-screen, it's more likely to be a male character. So I think that's far more down to the male default problem than anything else. And when that trauma which is universal in practice but masculine in fiction gets belittled or delegitimized or what have you, it doesn't raise up feminine experiences, because there are few to no feminine experiences to raise up. It just makes people completely alienated from fiction, and tells them that they're Bad
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I think that's far more down to the male default problem than anything else. And when that trauma which is universal in practice but masculine in fiction gets belittled or delegitimized or what have you, it doesn't raise up feminine experiences, because there are few to no feminine experiences to raise up. It just makes people completely alienated from fiction, and tells them that they're Bad Women/Bad Feminists for having lived their own lives.
AMEN. Thank you for saying so articulately what I have, in the past, found so difficult to express.
It's really tricky, right? It's like, vague and subtle subtext in so many different conversations that I can never quite pin it down (and frankly, if I could it wouldn't be fair, to put all this universal frustration on one particular post/comment/whatever). But I don't like letting it pass without comment indefinitely, either.
Yes and yes I can agree. And I do think female trauma...I think it is borderline tolerated in that if it is overly discussed people can term that character as selfish? I think your Janice example too kind of would be the automatic response from the audience?
But yeah I think it is more seen as an agenda rather than true empathy if you stan for a traumatized character who is also a guy.
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But yeah I think it is more seen as an agenda rather than true empathy if you stan for a traumatized character who is also a guy.
Yeah, exactly. It's like "you must be falling for his act" and obviously couldn't possibly be psychological interest, human compassion, or actually being able to empathize with him.
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For Jeremy I don't get a direct tell tell thing. I wondered some things like and if I had to guess I think it is a judgment on his mental state. Tbh he is very understandable to me but I think there is a disregard in the aftermath of what he has a right to feel, kind of like Tyrion but different. Idk :/ it is creepy.
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AMEN. Thank you for saying so articulately what I have, in the past, found so difficult to express.
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