I was more embarrassed by the epi than impressed, but have been bolstered by this nice bit of thought.
I so so so agree with this - it’s a pretty powerful image, so many so angry against just one, It was awful, well and truly. And strangely reminiscent of a sacrificed Christ figure.
I have been somewhat brought up short by the violence thus far in TO.
It was awful, well and truly. And strangely reminiscent of a sacrificed Christ figure.
YES and I liked how this shook out? Because the episode was very clear that we're not talking "blood of the lamb" here. If anyone has a beat-down coming, it's Klaus. But it's still shocking to watch this vicious mob come at him with that kind of violence, when the worst he'd done to most of them was crash a couple of parties.
I have been somewhat brought up short by the violence thus far in TO.
I'm curious (and I really am just curious and not trying to argue you out of this, obvs), how does it strike you as being different from the level/type of violence on TVD?
I'm curious (and I really am just curious and not trying to argue you out of this, obvs), how does it strike you as being different from the level/type of violence on TVD?
It's a good question and one I've asked myself! :) It just feels different. More brutal.... It shouldn't feel different, though. Elijah in the church was really visceral for me. His handling of the older witch was something I literally had to look away from. Cavalier bodies at the breakfast table feel gratuitous and reminiscent of "Interview with the Vampire". And I found the throat slitting of the young witch girls to be deeply disturbing. Even Tyler's vocalized threat of how he was going to kill an unborn child just skeeved me. Maybe TVD just feels sillier? Or the violence more cartoon-y? I honestly don't know.
But yes, Klaus getting attacked so viciously didn't feel like entertainment to me.
I need to ponder this one more. Does it feel on the same level to you?
I need to ponder this one more. Does it feel on the same level to you?
I don't know about level, because you are definitely right that there's a lot of awful violence, but I don't know if it hits me from a different angle because the vast majority of it is explicitly about warfare? Most of the worst violence is not personal, everyone knows it's not personal, and so that feels different to me than the intimate violations that are so common on TVD. I mean, I know rationally that violence is violence, but one kind gets to me more than the other so it's tough for me to get the perspective to compare, if that makes sense.
I was gonna write my own reaction post, but now I feel as if you've said everything I wanted to say. WELL SAID.
Cami is the MOST AWESOME, isn't she? Out of all the players in this game, I think she is the one who could be the most dangerous to Klaus because she's smarter than everyone and has to be way more secretive. I'm more interested in Cami vs. Klaus than I am in... well, anyone else vs. Klaus.
I like that Haley went with Klaus in the end, and I don't think it was because he threatened her (at least, not completely). She is PISSED at Marcel for what he has done to her family and she wants payback. And she knows that Klaus is the best way to get it.
My only issue with this episode was the lack of Davina. Way too convenient, having Marcel refuse to bring her into the fight. I would have liked it better if she had been brought in, somehow.
YES about Cami being such a danger to Klaus because she can fly under the radar. He underestimates her and idealizes her and it's going to bite him in the ass.
I like that Haley went with Klaus in the end, and I don't think it was because he threatened her (at least, not completely). She is PISSED at Marcel for what he has done to her family and she wants payback. And she knows that Klaus is the best way to get it.
OOOOOOH, great catch. And yeah, she has the optimal setup right now: she can egg Klaus on to do the dirty work, and then when it's done she can run back to Elijah, pin it all on Klaus, and continue to stay at the top of his good list.
Agree 100% with your analysis of Marcel and Klaus. "Appreciates" might be the best way to put it. If I thought Klaus was capable of respecting anyone, I'd say I think he respects Marcel. And I don't feel like the show throws that around lightly.
It astonishes me just HOW EFFECTIVE Elijah's external trappings are in setting up expectations in the audience, to the extent that so many people feel betrayed by the fact that he's a flop. He's tall, presents in a conventionally masculine manner, is super-strong, and has a certain superficial gravitas, and...thus he must be an effective power player? I mean--this is just fascinating to me, TBH.
YES. If anything, they should be an indicator that he's less of a player, since obviously he doesn't have to try so hard and develop any of those skills.
Ahhhh OK I think you've started to win me back around to Hayley/Elijah! I was really enjoying it up to around 1x05, then my interest dimmed a bit for some reason--but I love what you say here about Elijah confusing her with Celeste and Klaus, a;
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I so so so agree with this - it’s a pretty powerful image, so many so angry against just one, It was awful, well and truly. And strangely reminiscent of a sacrificed Christ figure.
I have been somewhat brought up short by the violence thus far in TO.
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YES and I liked how this shook out? Because the episode was very clear that we're not talking "blood of the lamb" here. If anyone has a beat-down coming, it's Klaus. But it's still shocking to watch this vicious mob come at him with that kind of violence, when the worst he'd done to most of them was crash a couple of parties.
I have been somewhat brought up short by the violence thus far in TO.
I'm curious (and I really am just curious and not trying to argue you out of this, obvs), how does it strike you as being different from the level/type of violence on TVD?
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It's a good question and one I've asked myself! :) It just feels different. More brutal.... It shouldn't feel different, though. Elijah in the church was really visceral for me. His handling of the older witch was something I literally had to look away from. Cavalier bodies at the breakfast table feel gratuitous and reminiscent of "Interview with the Vampire". And I found the throat slitting of the young witch girls to be deeply disturbing. Even Tyler's vocalized threat of how he was going to kill an unborn child just skeeved me. Maybe TVD just feels sillier? Or the violence more cartoon-y? I honestly don't know.
But yes, Klaus getting attacked so viciously didn't feel like entertainment to me.
I need to ponder this one more. Does it feel on the same level to you?
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I don't know about level, because you are definitely right that there's a lot of awful violence, but I don't know if it hits me from a different angle because the vast majority of it is explicitly about warfare? Most of the worst violence is not personal, everyone knows it's not personal, and so that feels different to me than the intimate violations that are so common on TVD. I mean, I know rationally that violence is violence, but one kind gets to me more than the other so it's tough for me to get the perspective to compare, if that makes sense.
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Cami is the MOST AWESOME, isn't she? Out of all the players in this game, I think she is the one who could be the most dangerous to Klaus because she's smarter than everyone and has to be way more secretive. I'm more interested in Cami vs. Klaus than I am in... well, anyone else vs. Klaus.
I like that Haley went with Klaus in the end, and I don't think it was because he threatened her (at least, not completely). She is PISSED at Marcel for what he has done to her family and she wants payback. And she knows that Klaus is the best way to get it.
My only issue with this episode was the lack of Davina. Way too convenient, having Marcel refuse to bring her into the fight. I would have liked it better if she had been brought in, somehow.
Other than that, great episode.
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YES about Cami being such a danger to Klaus because she can fly under the radar. He underestimates her and idealizes her and it's going to bite him in the ass.
I like that Haley went with Klaus in the end, and I don't think it was because he threatened her (at least, not completely). She is PISSED at Marcel for what he has done to her family and she wants payback. And she knows that Klaus is the best way to get it.
OOOOOOH, great catch. And yeah, she has the optimal setup right now: she can egg Klaus on to do the dirty work, and then when it's done she can run back to Elijah, pin it all on Klaus, and continue to stay at the top of his good list.
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It astonishes me just HOW EFFECTIVE Elijah's external trappings are in setting up expectations in the audience, to the extent that so many people feel betrayed by the fact that he's a flop. He's tall, presents in a conventionally masculine manner, is super-strong, and has a certain superficial gravitas, and...thus he must be an effective power player? I mean--this is just fascinating to me, TBH.
YES. If anything, they should be an indicator that he's less of a player, since obviously he doesn't have to try so hard and develop any of those skills.
Ahhhh OK I think you've started to win me back around to Hayley/Elijah! I was really enjoying it up to around 1x05, then my interest dimmed a bit for some reason--but I love what you say here about Elijah confusing her with Celeste and Klaus, a; ( ... )
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