hey, anyone noticed that television is kind of weird about gay men?

[pocochina]

This is something that I think about a fair amount, but various media/fandom developments of the last few weeks have brought it to the front of my mind. The first half of this post is about ~stuff generally; the second half is specific to how it's apparently the Dean/Cas week of our ~cycle in Supernatural fandom.

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[waltzmatildah]

Callie was very much: but it's not clearly one or the other, it's a SCALE. You make excellent points. I think maybe I feel like you're giving them too much credit (in my opinon, because I don't feel like the Callie/Mark stuff was ever about Callie exploring her bisexuality and was more about either providing opportunities for Eric Dane to get his kit off, including steamy heterosexual sex scenes on a show where the actor/actress for the main couple refuse to get naked, and/or creating ~tension between Callie and Arizona etc), and I'm not giving them quite enough credit? I DON'T KNOW, MAN! Although, I do also like that Callie's sexuality is not her ~defining feature. I DON'T KNOW!

I just think I might want to have my cake (realistic portrayals of bi women) and eat it too (where their sexuality is front and centre so they can Teach Me All The Things) so, ignore me!

But I think Grey's was/is trying to trailblaze. You know what? Another factor I totally have to take into consideration here is my absolute tendency towards cynicism when it comes to this show and everything it's chosen to be since, like, mid season five. There is also that!!

[nrgburst]

the Callie/Mark stuff was ever about Callie exploring her bisexuality and was more about either providing opportunities for Eric Dane to get his kit off, including steamy heterosexual sex scenes on a show where the actor/actress for the main couple refuse to get naked, and/or creating ~tension between Callie and Arizona etc), and I'm not giving them quite enough credit? I DON'T KNOW, MAN! Although, I do also like that Callie's sexuality is not her ~defining feature. I DON'T KNOW!

AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR NOT KNOWING. Because I think the show TRIED to have its cake and eat it too! And was therefore not satisfyingly one way or the other- just WELL IT'S PROBABLY BISEXUALITY BUT MAYBE HE'S *MAN ENOUGH* to STRAIGHT HER QUEER WE WON'T SPELL IT OUT THAT WOULD LOSE US ADVERTISING DOLLARS

I think in the following ep she did say it aloud that she thought she was bisexual to Erica though. And was therefore dumped. It is on the HD though, and a while ago!

[waltzmatildah]

AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR NOT KNOWING. Because I think the show TRIED to have its cake and eat it too! And was therefore not satisfyingly one way or the other Yeah, that's why I was all wishy-washy in my original comment and "I think Grey's was okay, though maybe not really, who knows" *throws hands up in the air*.

And was therefore dumped. Oh, boy. Was this the cause of the dumping?? For some reason I thought that came down to Callie erring on the side of supporting Izzie Stevens in reprisal of The Great Stolen Heart And Severed LVAD Debacle of 2005! Clearly I am mis-remembering (and very unlikely to go back and re-watch).

[nrgburst]

See, I'm pretty sure it was a huge part of Erica being all EFF YOU. But I will have to rewatch. S4? I have that on DVD actually, much easier to get out than the HD. LOL