Comments | pocochina: alright, once you've had most of a post for over a year, it's time.

pocochina

alright, once you've had most of a post for over a year, it's time.

Jul 30, 2013 21:58

I have, possibly surprisingly, not been as bothered as many by the lack of on-screen interactions between Sam and Cas, being as I am so attached to both characters for a lot of the same reasons. While I certainly won't complain if/when things shift around to give us a little more time with both characters, I've found the last three seasons to ( Read more... )

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cuddyclothes August 1 2013, 17:51:35 UTC

It's taken me a while to have time to read this entire post. The parallels you draw are fascinating. One thing: I saw the episode where Dean asks if Cas deliberately brought back Sam without a soul. Cas's reaction, to me, makes it clear that he did. And his attempts to dissuade Dean are only partly out of altruism. I've seen a bunch of S6, and that's how it seems to play out. Souless! Sam is much better for the overall Grand Plan to work, since he's ruthless with no remorse. Normal Sam would refuse to do the things that Souless!Sam does, as we see in "Unforgiven." Souless!Sam has no conscience about killing things and people, which is highly useful for Crowley (and for Cas ( ... )

pocochina August 1 2013, 21:34:30 UTC

thanks! Cas and Sam are so interesting to me for so many of the same reasons that I was a little surprised to find out they're less of a ~thing for people; there's just so much there.

I saw the episode where Dean asks if Cas deliberately brought back Sam without a soul. Cas's reaction, to me, makes it clear that he did.I didn't get the impression Cas hatched the grand plan with Crowley until after he pulled Sam out? My impression of the chronology was this ( ... )

cuddyclothes August 1 2013, 21:49:15 UTC

My chronology is that Cas went to pull Sam out of the cage sometime after it happened. When we see Dean, Lisa and Ben eating dinner, we don't know how long it's been since Sam jumped into the cage.

Which raises the question: Cas was powerful enough to pull Dean out of Hell, but that was ordinary Hell (if there is such a thing), but Lucifer and Michael's cage was something else altogether. Do you think other members of the garrison went with him? (Naomi mentions that it took a lot of angels to get Cas out of Purgatory.)

I also don't think he ever behaves strategically toward Sam and Dean - as Crowley points out, he should've just killed them, or failing that, wiped their memories or kept clear of them entirely. (Like, to the point where I almost wonder if he was self-sabotaging and trying to let them catch him on some level?)That makes sense. On one level he knows he's doing the wrong thing, but his love for the Winchesters keeps him shielded from the admitting to himself that he is courting disaster ( ... )

pocochina August 1 2013, 22:40:41 UTC

Which raises the question: Cas was powerful enough to pull Dean out of Hell, but that was ordinary Hell (if there is such a thing), but Lucifer and Michael's cage was something else altogether. Do you think other members of the garrison went with him? (Naomi mentions that it took a lot of angels to get Cas out of Purgatory.)

I actually don't know if this is something Cas said or if I've just put my own head-canon in, but I got the impression that Cas had backup when he went in to get Dean, if only because I don't actually see Michael's Orwellian nightmare of a Heaven letting anyone do anything alone if they could help it. But I think his ability to get in and out of the Cage was more about the short window where both the angels and the demons were without any centralized authority, and so nobody was thinking to guard the Cage.

My favorite line: "Am I the only one who doesn't underestimate those denim-wrapped NIGHTMARES?" (paraphrasing) Oh, Crowley, never change. Oh, wait...S9...HA. I actually expect the Crowley sass to get even ( ... )