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pocochina

my collected wit and wisdom, or something!

Apr 27, 2013 11:14

I realized last night that while I've mostly stuck to my designation of Tumblr as being for bookmarking and sassy tagging of graphics while journaling is for thoughts. But sometimes those posts turn into short but substantive discussions, and I'd rather have them here.

one about why I hate the concept and the other about the Dove campaign

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spn: i love luci, feminism, btvs/ats, bsg: gaius frakking baltar, supernatural, spn: sammay!, bsg, bsg: laura roslin is my favorite, btvs/ats: angel's hair sticks straight u, body positivity

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obsessive_a101 April 27 2013, 23:44:40 UTC

As you probably already know (see what I mean by brain switching out words on me randomly? ><" I hope this was not essentially a right frontal cortex thing...), a YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS on all your Gaius and Gaius/Laura interaction thoughts ( ... )

pocochina April 28 2013, 00:45:25 UTC

re: archangels ( ... )

obsessive_a101 April 28 2013, 01:08:25 UTC

LOL- I love how your icons serve as much as replies as the rest of the comment ( ... )

pocochina April 28 2013, 01:46:01 UTC

I'm really interested in how your thoughts on the show are evolving. IA that it's much easier to be appropriately skeptical the second time around when you're not white-knuckling it as to whether they're going to die in the next five minutes, even for people who aren't real.

I do love how he conveniently forgets his involvement in this discussion about what to do with Hera prior to Sharon "becoming his daughter" during NC arc to being pissed at Laura in EOJ? Or maybe, it's that she never told him about her decision to hide the child?

Yeah. The ire at Laura strikes me very much as being more about SHE made the call, rather than what call she made. Which would be cute, except she's the president and IT'S HER JOB to make certain calls. And ugh, notice that Cottle was perfectly capable of keeping state secrets when someone gave him an order. It's just when some poor sick girl who can't do anything needs five goddamn minutes of privacy he comes over all Chatty Cathy.

obsessive_a101 April 28 2013, 02:17:47 UTC

LOL - Basically. But simultaneously, I am just so much more emotional about everything that's happening. I'm up to LDYB now, and I just... I can't handle how she actually loses this election. Like, I am just *crying* because she may have gotten the ending she wanted ("so much life"), but DARN IT she deserved better. *sobs* (Yes, in my completely biased opinion. Technically, they ALL deserved better, and their circumstances just suck all around, but gods. She's always so lonely and constantly facing the worse people have to offer even when she's trying her best, taking all the hits to shield them. I mean, it's what I love about her, but it hurts. *still crying* Even from the people she's closest to, it's like, she gets no breaks. I don't expect things to be fair, not when twelve worlds were wiped out... but still... Sorry, I'm overwhelmed with love and grief simultaneously at the moment. I MISS HER... SO MUCH!)

She does the hard thing, she says the hard things, and yes, Tory is right that those are probably not the things the people ( ... )

pocochina April 28 2013, 02:40:59 UTC

THOSE INGRATES! I actually thought the election rang so true with a lot of issues? Like how women are graciously ~permitted to assume positions of power when things are in shambles but people just find it so much easier to tolerate a comfortable-seeming man than a strong-willed woman. And Laura's never had to campaign - as hard a worker as she was and is, she doesn't know how to sell herself and get people to recognize her, which also strikes me as being very true to life in how women aren't supposed to show ambition or self-interest ( ... )

obsessive_a101 April 28 2013, 03:38:16 UTC

Oh, most definitely, and it is, it's so easy to slip it into normal everyday situations as well (the last two attempts of the GOP to play for the "women's vote" being most remarkable and interesting for... their particular "choice" of candidates and the remarkable/unremarkable responses they engendered). The status quo in media and etc. for centuries and most of history has been defined by men. (I recently went and read up your rec of Carol Gilligan regarding moral valuations, and gods, even what is defined as "right" has a strong gender-skew... like seriously.) I mean, even and particularly anthropology as a field has had a difficult history - with both gender and race (and all of this of course contributes to why I chose history of science), but yes, the show DOES do a remarkable job of portraying, but dear gods, does anyone ever say an honest, nothing attached thank you to Laura ( ... )

pocochina April 28 2013, 05:06:40 UTC

Yeah, it's been a long time since I read much Carol Gilligan, and so I really don't know how much I agree, but I think she does a very good job of showing that lens of how good and bad are framed and valued socially, if that makes sense, and so she's been really influential to my philosophical thinking from that perspective. I've gone with the characterization of Laura as being "morally ambiguous" and, you know, I'm not offended by it? but I don't think it's necessarily even that. I think she has a very clear moral code, and it's not a bad one, you know? I don't think she's so much ambiguous as operating in a much starker framework.

Lee ends up almost as alone as Laura... which... is just freaking sad, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAYHURTFUL. Particularly since I think it comes so close, you know? Lee has this whole journey of learning how to validate and value his own existence, rather than constantly trying to live up to someone else's highest benchmark (and self-sabotaging by attaching himself to people with unmeetable ( ... )

obsessive_a101 April 28 2013, 23:24:20 UTC

LOL - I wouldn't know because I haven't read ANY Carol Gilligan, but I saw your mentions in a few places, and so I pulled up a few articles to get a better gist of the manner of discussion (and GODS, I love meta and fandom for so many reasons). :) It was just interesting because I read the introduction and primary arguments and it reminded me of when we were exploring anthropological writings from within the medical field from the colonial period forward, and it was interesting to see shifts in the manner in which topics were written - regarding gender and race especially. Just, gender divisions in academia is really interesting in general. (I had a roommate who was super involved with mathematics - both academically and extracurricularly - and the way the field is still such a guy's club.)

...but I don't think that being ABLE to stand on your own means you HAVE TO end up abandoned and alone, you know? "Hey, you know how you were afraid the people you love don't love you back? YOU'RE RIGHT!" If it's supposed to be tragic it's amazing ( ... )

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