Let me say that coming to read your thoughts always makes me feel better. You put things in a way that I really appreciate.
I think closing the Gates will be a bad idea as well. I could actually see them closing Hell this year, Heaven next year and then discovering that without that balance the world will go to ruin and the third year will be them trying to OPEN Heaven and Hell again.
I was glad when Charlie pointed out to Dean that he pushed Sam into his choice. It's nice that someone called him on it. I felt the looming "you broke up with someone as well" was anviling that Benny is still going to come back into the picture, because I don't think that "break up" was as over as Sam and Amelia.
Thank you! I think this season is fantastic so it's nice to hear the love is coming through.
I could actually see them closing Hell this year, Heaven next year and then discovering that without that balance the world will go to ruin and the third year will be them trying to OPEN Heaven and Hell again.
ooooh, I really hope you're right, I like this a lot.
I was glad when Charlie pointed out to Dean that he pushed Sam into his choice. It's nice that someone called him on it.
Seriously. I am a little affectionately amused at HOW gently even the smallest call-out of Dean happened and how deeply it was buried in a fluffy, happy episode. Less a spoonful of sugar and more a pint of Kool-aid, but what are you going to do, and even that little bit went a long way to letting me relax into the story.
Seriously. I am a little affectionately amused at HOW gently even the smallest call-out of Dean happened and how deeply it was buried in a fluffy, happy episode. Less a spoonful of sugar and more a pint of Kool-aid, but what are you going to do, and even that little bit went a long way to letting me relax into the story.
Well don't go too far afield, I can't tell you how many reviews say how wonderful this episode was EXCEPT for the totally unwarranted scene were Charlie tells Dean he took Sam away from normal. Most of fandom is going on about how horrible Sam was to refuse Dean's initial attempts to have fun, even though the only one that Sam has been shown to enjoy is watching movies and how awful it was that the show has Sam being propped up by Charlie so that Dean can ONCE AGAIN turn into Sam's doormat and be guilted into doing EVERYTHING Sam wants, while his noble sacrifice of Benny goes unnoticed because Dean is too wonderful to tell Charlie about his loss of Benny.
So I have seen , you know someone once said there is two Dean's the one on the show and the one the fandom created. Some have idealised Dean so much they cant fathom another one existing.
I thought this episode was nice and Sam in a pony tail was even nicer wouldnt mind seeing that again.
Excellent review. I'm too tired to write more than that, but I enjoy how meta your analyses are. I'm more of a troglodyte: "That be funny! They be painting their faces!" etc.
I just have to say when I first read "Sheriff Wilfrid Brimley..." I completely snorted irl and my mom was all, "What are you reading?" and I had to be all, "...nothing." LoL (Yes, I'll be 36 next month and, no, I still don't want to explain fandom to my mom.)
Isn't that the same guy that played Robert Singer in The French Mistake? If not, it's got to be his vocal twin.
the scene with her kissing the fairy, may have been shown from the boys' angle, walking in, but the set was dressed for Charlie's/a woman's appreciation and the viewers annoyance did seem to come with her for being interrupted.
lol, yes, I loved the awkwardness of the costumes on top of everything else about the scene. I believed they were into it, but from the outside it was such silly-looking making out. <3
For such an easily watched episode, this one worked so delicately beneath.
Yeah, exactly. It had a lot of balls in the air and it worked so well, while managing to look like a very light, easy episode.
I agree, but I thought that episode was pretty much saying hunting was the dreamworld, the escape from reality.* Cas wants to hide, so he decides to become a hunter. Sam says holding on to the dream (the dream of the two of them being close; us against the world) will destroy you - staying with Dean, his reason for being in that world, is destroying him. This episode makes the parallel between Moondoor and Hunter World. I mean, Baltar the furious? He's exactly like Dean. (and then the show does that thing where Dean says something about someone else, but it's really the show saying something about Dean, so - a loser in both worlds. Ahaha.)
Ack, this is what happens when someone's brain is set to METAPHOR all the time.
*my reading of the narrative where hunting = the revenge quest = always wrong. The escape from reality where you can try to pretend it's possible to stop bad things from happening, if only you kill enough bad guys.
I have kind of a tough time thinking of leaving the life entirely as being any real kind of freedom either. Because knowing what goes bump in the night, you can't even quite forget about it either, you know? And trying to avoid something to that extent just ends up controlling your life anyway, like doing the "try not to think about a polar bear" game, at the North Pole. The issue is that people get obsessed, stuck in "the hunting life" rather than living a normal life that acknowledges the reality of monsters, and then stuck in this perpetual adolescence where they're always pretending that tomorrow will never come
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yeah, I see what you're saying, but, like, for Sam hunting = family, and what Sam always wanted was to feel a part of his family, even though he disagreed with, and certainly had the wrong temperament for, hunting. So, he could leave hunting because John threw him out, and he could leave for a year because everyone was dead, but he can never bring himself to leave Dean, if Dean is willing to have him around.
Because knowing what goes bump in the night, you can't even quite forget about it either, you know?
But, why does that make it okay to go around dispensing vigilante justice? What gives someone the right to think they're entitled to decide who lives and who dies. Since S1 the show has made a point of saying demons = people. People do bad things. Who appointed hunters God? People who play God are monsters (as per Faith). When Sam says people always die, that isn't some cop out, that's life. Only an arrogant dick thinks he gets to dish out payback on his terms. (hunters, heaven, Lucifer, America fuck yeah)
he could leave hunting because John threw him out, and he could leave for a year because everyone was dead, but he can never bring himself to leave Dean, if Dean is willing to have him around.
It's just really hard for Sam, I think, to ignore the way he knows things are. The fact of their world is that there are monsters, no matter what they do. And I don't want Sam to be stuck in this place where Dean has a monopoly on THE TROOOOOTH because obviously being a violent bully is COSMIC HONESTY, so Sam either has to live a lie (that there are no monsters) or limit his life to monsters and only monsters. Sam doesn't know how to set limits, with hunting or with Dean, because all he's learned in his life is that he doesn't get to have boundaries, he can yell and lash out and push back all he wants but people will do as they please to him. Those hard, absolutist walls he puts up are a survival mechanism - I don't blame him in the least, but they're not optimal, and I want him to figure out a way not to need them all the time.
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I think closing the Gates will be a bad idea as well. I could actually see them closing Hell this year, Heaven next year and then discovering that without that balance the world will go to ruin and the third year will be them trying to OPEN Heaven and Hell again.
I was glad when Charlie pointed out to Dean that he pushed Sam into his choice. It's nice that someone called him on it. I felt the looming "you broke up with someone as well" was anviling that Benny is still going to come back into the picture, because I don't think that "break up" was as over as Sam and Amelia.
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I could actually see them closing Hell this year, Heaven next year and then discovering that without that balance the world will go to ruin and the third year will be them trying to OPEN Heaven and Hell again.
ooooh, I really hope you're right, I like this a lot.
I was glad when Charlie pointed out to Dean that he pushed Sam into his choice. It's nice that someone called him on it.
Seriously. I am a little affectionately amused at HOW gently even the smallest call-out of Dean happened and how deeply it was buried in a fluffy, happy episode. Less a spoonful of sugar and more a pint of Kool-aid, but what are you going to do, and even that little bit went a long way to letting me relax into the story.
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Well don't go too far afield, I can't tell you how many reviews say how wonderful this episode was EXCEPT for the totally unwarranted scene were Charlie tells Dean he took Sam away from normal. Most of fandom is going on about how horrible Sam was to refuse Dean's initial attempts to have fun, even though the only one that Sam has been shown to enjoy is watching movies and how awful it was that the show has Sam being propped up by Charlie so that Dean can ONCE AGAIN turn into Sam's doormat and be guilted into doing EVERYTHING Sam wants, while his noble sacrifice of Benny goes unnoticed because Dean is too wonderful to tell Charlie about his loss of Benny.
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I thought this episode was nice and Sam in a pony tail was even nicer wouldnt mind seeing that again.
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ALSO VALID REACTIONS. I think the episode was so good because it's totally fun on that level as well.
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Isn't that the same guy that played Robert Singer in The French Mistake? If not, it's got to be his vocal twin.
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lol, yes, I loved the awkwardness of the costumes on top of everything else about the scene. I believed they were into it, but from the outside it was such silly-looking making out. <3
For such an easily watched episode, this one worked so delicately beneath.
Yeah, exactly. It had a lot of balls in the air and it worked so well, while managing to look like a very light, easy episode.
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I agree, but I thought that episode was pretty much saying hunting was the dreamworld, the escape from reality.* Cas wants to hide, so he decides to become a hunter. Sam says holding on to the dream (the dream of the two of them being close; us against the world) will destroy you - staying with Dean, his reason for being in that world, is destroying him. This episode makes the parallel between Moondoor and Hunter World. I mean, Baltar the furious? He's exactly like Dean. (and then the show does that thing where Dean says something about someone else, but it's really the show saying something about Dean, so - a loser in both worlds. Ahaha.)
Ack, this is what happens when someone's brain is set to METAPHOR all the time.
*my reading of the narrative where hunting = the revenge quest = always wrong. The escape from reality where you can try to pretend it's possible to stop bad things from happening, if only you kill enough bad guys.
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Because knowing what goes bump in the night, you can't even quite forget about it either, you know?
But, why does that make it okay to go around dispensing vigilante justice? What gives someone the right to think they're entitled to decide who lives and who dies. Since S1 the show has made a point of saying demons = people. People do bad things. Who appointed hunters God? People who play God are monsters (as per Faith). When Sam says people always die, that isn't some cop out, that's life. Only an arrogant dick thinks he gets to dish out payback on his terms. (hunters, heaven, Lucifer, America fuck yeah)
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It's just really hard for Sam, I think, to ignore the way he knows things are. The fact of their world is that there are monsters, no matter what they do. And I don't want Sam to be stuck in this place where Dean has a monopoly on THE TROOOOOTH because obviously being a violent bully is COSMIC HONESTY, so Sam either has to live a lie (that there are no monsters) or limit his life to monsters and only monsters. Sam doesn't know how to set limits, with hunting or with Dean, because all he's learned in his life is that he doesn't get to have boundaries, he can yell and lash out and push back all he wants but people will do as they please to him. Those hard, absolutist walls he puts up are a survival mechanism - I don't blame him in the least, but they're not optimal, and I want him to figure out a way not to need them all the time.
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