Papa John makes me furious, seeing how he treated his boys. That was sustained abuse and I don't see how exposing them to monsters at such a young age was 'protecting them from the supernatural'. On top of constantly endangering them, he made it so they couldn't have any stable friends, teachers, neighbours - anyone to love except each other. They ended up so emotionally damaged, and dependent on each other, that when one dies the other sells his soul/starts drinking demon blood! RAGE!
(I keep telling myself John's only fictional, and I sneer at people who hate Sam, Dean or Cas, so I know I'm being hypocritical here. But it's the hand-waving of what John did that really makes me mad)
Now, they're both grown-ups now and I know you can't blame their childhood for ALL their screw-ups. But when people argue that point I do wonder WHEN they are supposed to have dealt with their issues and developed better coping skills? They've both been fire-fighting constantly since S1.
Oh, and I adore your metas Pocochina! So intelligent and interesting. And I love the way you obviously love Sam but don't spare him at all :D I love my Sam cause I have similar flaws (you know, minus the demon blood).
I relate to Sam a lot too, sometimes uncomfortably so. Admittedly I've started to go a bit easier on him lately, I think; I'm having a tough time bringing myself to find fault when every page he ever dog-eared and burger he turned his nose up at are being trumpeted as ~incontrovertible proof that driving him to the brink of suicide and then roofieing him and pimping him out was not just understandable behavior but grounds to fuss over Poor Woobie Dean.
Papa John makes me furious, seeing how he treated his boys. That was sustained abuse and I don't see how exposing them to monsters at such a young age was 'protecting them from the supernatural'
HE WAS SO AWFUL THOUGH?!
Looking back at this now, I'm actually kind of pleased how much of this holds up after we met Henry and learned that backstory. Like, he took all that resentment/fear of (what he perceived as) his own parent's abandonment of him and put his daddy issues on his sons. So he obsesses about making them KNOW he is around, he is EVERYWHERE, and ensuring as best he could that they couldn't abandon him too. But it wasn't like "oh, look, he ~suffered as a child and so he shouldn't be judged for his bad parenting," it was like, "his parenting was even worse than we realized, because he was totally trying to create the hostage situation it ended up being."
But when people argue that point I do wonder WHEN they are supposed to have dealt with their issues and developed better coping skills? They've both been fire-fighting
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Well yes they had a year, but by then they'd both piled up a whole NEW load of issues to deal with (so their original problems probably took a back seat) :D
(I keep telling myself John's only fictional, and I sneer at people who hate Sam, Dean or Cas, so I know I'm being hypocritical here. But it's the hand-waving of what John did that really makes me mad)
Now, they're both grown-ups now and I know you can't blame their childhood for ALL their screw-ups. But when people argue that point I do wonder WHEN they are supposed to have dealt with their issues and developed better coping skills? They've both been fire-fighting constantly since S1.
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I relate to Sam a lot too, sometimes uncomfortably so. Admittedly I've started to go a bit easier on him lately, I think; I'm having a tough time bringing myself to find fault when every page he ever dog-eared and burger he turned his nose up at are being trumpeted as ~incontrovertible proof that driving him to the brink of suicide and then roofieing him and pimping him out was not just understandable behavior but grounds to fuss over Poor Woobie Dean.
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HE WAS SO AWFUL THOUGH?!
Looking back at this now, I'm actually kind of pleased how much of this holds up after we met Henry and learned that backstory. Like, he took all that resentment/fear of (what he perceived as) his own parent's abandonment of him and put his daddy issues on his sons. So he obsesses about making them KNOW he is around, he is EVERYWHERE, and ensuring as best he could that they couldn't abandon him too. But it wasn't like "oh, look, he ~suffered as a child and so he shouldn't be judged for his bad parenting," it was like, "his parenting was even worse than we realized, because he was totally trying to create the hostage situation it ended up being."
But when people argue that point I do wonder WHEN they are supposed to have dealt with their issues and developed better coping skills? They've both been fire-fighting ( ... )
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