I feel really gratified about how the "choice" was SUCH TROLLING?! Like, it's not choosing between Salvatores, it's CHOOSING WHETHER TO TRANSITION OR NOT.
seriously, I am so glad not to have my heart in the main triangle either way.
I really enjoyed it too, though I'm kind of anticipating polarized reactions overall. A fitting end to S3 overall - a little scattered and not as totally cohesive as the first two season finales, but what worked, WORKED.
Couldn't give a *fuck* about Elena. I still can't figure out why everyone's so obsessed with her? Whatever.
Yeah, I like her but don't particularly connect with her. I do kind of think there's some weird doppelganger power that makes people drawn to and protective of her? Not her fault, but not necessarily to her credit, either. It just is what it is.
But then it makes a big show about everyone kicking a decision to Elena THAT IS NOT JUST HER DECISION.
Yeah, IDEK. I guess because the other option was that the Originals would kill Elena in order to get rid of Alaric? So it's her certain death vs. everyone else's potential deaths? Still, it's something they all should've been involved in.
I'm not sure I buy that Stefan couldn't have saved both Matt and Elena in one trip? It's not even like he actually had to carry them! They're in the water!
Yeah, ditto. WHY SO DUMB, STEFAN?
EDIT wait now I'm worried reading everyone's reactions: did we actually see Klaus's body burn? I thought Bonnie preserved him? Everyone seems to think JoMo is gone gone gone? I thought the coffin closed, which would've stopped the fire.The coffin definitely closed before the fire went out, but I'm not sure if Klaus' body was burned or not. I assumed he was, because otherwise that would make Ric pretty dumb. And Bonnie VERY lucky, because how could she know that Ric would shut the coffin? Then Klaus would
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(I also desperately want to know if Tyler is in Klaus' body or still floating in the ether or something and can get put back in his own body again.)
Or - the poor baby - stuck in there with Klaus.
SO CREEPY AND AWESOME. I loved it because I thought he was a little strange but I didn't suspect anything? Which, it's a conscious impersonation, and one that Klaus would be particularly good at. TEN FOR YOU, TRAVINO.
I'm a little intrigued by the decision to make the big threats to Elena's agency be the human guys who she trusts the most, Matt and Jeremy. I certainly didn't see that coming, even if it was probably tipped off early in the episode. Bad enough that Stefan struts around congratulating himself about how he "lets" Elena make her own decisions,
Yeah… That was indeed interesting. The heavy-handedness of it all kind of confirmed to me that the writers really are self-aware wrt Elena-as-object? Pretty much every one of her male ~protectors~ failed to keep her safe.
It's the misleading conflation of two totally different issues: "either you support Elena's right to unilaterally make decisions for everyone else, OR you don't support Elena's right to make decisions for herself."Yeah, this. The show seems to miss this nuance a lot. Like, Elena is very very concerned about her own agency - as she well should be. But… she also frequently violates other people's agency? The writers get this sometimes, and other times they don't. And here, it
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Pretty much every one of her male ~protectors~ failed to keep her safe.
OOOOH, good point. Meredith, a totally human woman who's never treated Elena preferentially, saved her.
Elena is very very concerned about her own agency - as she well should be. But… she also frequently violates other people's agency? The writers get this sometimes, and other times they don't.
Agreed. Which, maybe that's the trade-off, when they're consciously hammering away at the subject/object issue. But yeah, it's something that I end up side-eying a lot - this whole idea of "I'm fighting for my right to take your rights away!" is really not a neutral statement at this moment for the immediate intended demographic. So, while not a story that should be off-limits, I do think that doing it justice requires a little more consistent delicacy than it gets.
Also, I legit died when he was like "you want a love that consumes you." Hahahahaha. No, son - YOU want a love that consumes you. Go home and write a sonnet.SO TRUE. and omg, his Katherine imprinting/
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I feel really gratified about how the "choice" was SUCH TROLLING?! Like, it's not choosing between Salvatores, it's CHOOSING WHETHER TO TRANSITION OR NOT.
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I really enjoyed it too, though I'm kind of anticipating polarized reactions overall. A fitting end to S3 overall - a little scattered and not as totally cohesive as the first two season finales, but what worked, WORKED.
Couldn't give a *fuck* about Elena. I still can't figure out why everyone's so obsessed with her? Whatever.
Yeah, I like her but don't particularly connect with her. I do kind of think there's some weird doppelganger power that makes people drawn to and protective of her? Not her fault, but not necessarily to her credit, either. It just is what it is.
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Yeah, IDEK. I guess because the other option was that the Originals would kill Elena in order to get rid of Alaric? So it's her certain death vs. everyone else's potential deaths? Still, it's something they all should've been involved in.
I'm not sure I buy that Stefan couldn't have saved both Matt and Elena in one trip? It's not even like he actually had to carry them! They're in the water!
Yeah, ditto. WHY SO DUMB, STEFAN?
EDIT wait now I'm worried reading everyone's reactions: did we actually see Klaus's body burn? I thought Bonnie preserved him? Everyone seems to think JoMo is gone gone gone? I thought the coffin closed, which would've stopped the fire.The coffin definitely closed before the fire went out, but I'm not sure if Klaus' body was burned or not. I assumed he was, because otherwise that would make Ric pretty dumb. And Bonnie VERY lucky, because how could she know that Ric would shut the coffin? Then Klaus would ( ... )
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Or - the poor baby - stuck in there with Klaus.
SO CREEPY AND AWESOME. I loved it because I thought he was a little strange but I didn't suspect anything? Which, it's a conscious impersonation, and one that Klaus would be particularly good at. TEN FOR YOU, TRAVINO.
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Yeah… That was indeed interesting. The heavy-handedness of it all kind of confirmed to me that the writers really are self-aware wrt Elena-as-object? Pretty much every one of her male ~protectors~ failed to keep her safe.
It's the misleading conflation of two totally different issues: "either you support Elena's right to unilaterally make decisions for everyone else, OR you don't support Elena's right to make decisions for herself."Yeah, this. The show seems to miss this nuance a lot. Like, Elena is very very concerned about her own agency - as she well should be. But… she also frequently violates other people's agency? The writers get this sometimes, and other times they don't. And here, it ( ... )
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OOOOH, good point. Meredith, a totally human woman who's never treated Elena preferentially, saved her.
Elena is very very concerned about her own agency - as she well should be. But… she also frequently violates other people's agency? The writers get this sometimes, and other times they don't.
Agreed. Which, maybe that's the trade-off, when they're consciously hammering away at the subject/object issue. But yeah, it's something that I end up side-eying a lot - this whole idea of "I'm fighting for my right to take your rights away!" is really not a neutral statement at this moment for the immediate intended demographic. So, while not a story that should be off-limits, I do think that doing it justice requires a little more consistent delicacy than it gets.
Also, I legit died when he was like "you want a love that consumes you." Hahahahaha. No, son - YOU want a love that consumes you. Go home and write a sonnet.SO TRUE. and omg, his Katherine imprinting/ ( ... )
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Elijah only deals with Elena, obviously. LOL.
But I'm torn. Everyone on this show makes bad decisions. And no matter whose plan it is, it never goes right, so....
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haha, true. But if the whole point is that she's free to screw up her life, so is everyone else.
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I love him so much too, and I think the episode nailed him, so. I'm easy. :)
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