womenlovefest TIME!
Day 1: what gender-neutral society? Day 2: why these ladies?Day 3: Ellen Tigh
I was going to go in alphabetical order to avoid showing favoritism, but there have already been a couple of comments about Ellen! Possibly I have tipped my hand regarding my everlasting love slight bias.
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ETA okay now I will actually read the rest :)
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that moment when she resurrects is a bit fuck you to the audience, in the best possible way
TRUE THAT. I mean, even if the motivation for bringing her back was just WE LOVE KATE VERNON BECAUSE SHE IS LUMINOUS, I would support that wholeheartedly! But it necessitated turning a lot of stuff on its head and making the audience deal with a lot of their assumptions about her.
I think it would be interesting to think about why and how death does this, and to the little to no animosity she shows Saul over this
YES. I mean, ultimately the show clearly did not have the moral bearings to understand that honor killings are wrong, and letting Ellen have her righteous anger over it would've brought the whole house of cards down. But accepting the text as it is, it really speaks to her being capable of unconditional love, same as she has for John, because she's magnificent.
Saul killing Ellen does really get me, emotionally speaking it, but it ( ... )
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My favorite Ellen story is Lucy Lawless'. They offered her the role of Tigh's wife. Her response - You want me to play someone's wife and you didn't even give her a name, FUCK YOU!
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WHAT I NEVER HEARD THIS STORY! LUCY FLAWLESS. Clearly as a huge fan of both D'Anna and Ellen I'm glad it shook out as it did, but, WOW.
But, this is yet more suggestion that the PTBs had every reason to know what they were doing re: gender and chose not to improve, which is quite disappointing, because the show obviously had the potential to do better.
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Whatever else was up with the Final Five, I think the retcon at least allows for a more cohesive picture of Ellen - she behaved like a shallow construct because she was one, once Cavil stripped her of her identity, though (OH NEW CAPRICA) he couldn't possibly take away everything that was awesome about her. I'm okay with her still having the flaws that were on display in Deadlock, but yeah, the re-integration of Ellen into the Galactica environment and her own identity re-integration on the in-universe level, and then the writers' attempt to understand this big change in her character, was kind of a big thing in such a busy handful of episodes.
I'm easy because I always liked her so much! But I think you're absolutely right that she wasn't prioritized in a way she should've been.
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she behaved like a shallow construct because she was one, once Cavil stripped her of her identity, though (OH NEW CAPRICA) he couldn't possibly take away everything that was awesome about her.I really enjoy this view of the final five-ness of Ellen and how the retcon actually works in favour of her here, helping us make sense of the way that the writers had dealt with her at the start (possibly one of the only examples of the final five retcons working out for the best for our view of a character ( ... )
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The Final Five thing was a bit of a mixed bag, I agree. It paid off for Ellen so I'm biased in favor, but I acknowledge the problems with Tyrol and Saul. I thought it worked for Anders in terms of making him so much more interesting, but it was pretty incongruous with his backstory. It would've worked brilliantly for Tory if she'd gotten the screen time she deserved.
we have to talk around what their motives are for and how their character development actually works behind the scenes that we see and guess what was in their heads at certain times, and rely on how awesome the actors may be and how well they throw themselves into their character and scenes.Yeah. I also think it's a byproduct of volume - so much to say and so little time - and then the question of ownership is so murky. (ie, I think my Lee belongs far more to Jamie Bamber than to Moore or Eick, but because they did decide what would happen to him, it pulls at the seams sometimes.) I feel like we have to kind of flip ( ... )
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