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onetraveller September 25 2010, 04:58:32 UTC
This made my heart hurt for some reason. Perhaps it's because you've captured the characters exactly as I see them. What people fail to grasp is that Katniss was NEVER your typical do-gooder, noble, selfless hero. No. You understand that and I appreciate that so much. And your comments about everyone else are spot on esp. about K ---> becoming Mrs.E. And I have to chime in with the Johanna love, honestly, she was just such a bloody brilliant character, I loved her. Madge was an unhappy point for me in MJ, but I do truly believe that she was aware of the rebellion - it also said she used to sneak newspapers from her Dad from the Capitol.

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joyfraser September 25 2010, 05:06:49 UTC
Thanks for all the praise, I really appreciate it :) <3

THG makes my heart hurt, too. It's one of those things that I love about it. Suzanne Collins knows how to make heavy hitting emotional blows and she is not afraid to do it. The realistic way she portrays the pain of loss has such an emotional resonance with me.

Right, I knew I was forgetting something about Madge, I just could not for the life of me remember what it was. That was a big part of the reason why I expected her to be in District 13 when they got there, I just thought she was going to be more of a major figure in the rebellion than she turned out to be.

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onetraveller September 25 2010, 20:53:29 UTC
Madge was my only big issue with MJ. I really wanted her to be something. And I always saw her so-called innocence about the mockingjay an act, because she was almost TOO oblivious. I mean, can you imagine K's reaction if Madge said "oh, yeah, totally get the significance, that's why I gave it to you." Madge didn't want Katniss to hate her. Also, NO BODY. ;)

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joyfraser September 26 2010, 00:36:07 UTC
Yeah, me too. I was most bummed about that... I mean, I pretty much accepted that not a lot of the characters were going to make it, but I just wish she'd at least made it TO District 13 before kicking it. I'm pretty sure they did find the right number of bodies in the Undersees' house, although I suppose it's possibly that it wasn't actually Madge.

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onetraveller September 26 2010, 02:26:15 UTC
They were skeletons, I don't know someone could have run in ;P I know, I wish she'd at least gone to D13. *sigh*

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pegasus2o5 September 26 2010, 20:58:11 UTC
I was sad about Madge, too, but I don't think her death was a "write-off." I think it was a very incisive statement about the Capitol's willingness to kill its "own" (the Mayor and his family) just as casually as its enemies. It never occurred to them to care whether they were bombing the innocent along with the guilty. Madge's death totally fit the story, for me--but I agree she was a very unexplored character, and I'd be pleased to find out she escaped somehow. She deserves more story.

The ones that disappointed me were Bonnie and Twill. They had this dramatic narrow escape from their district, figured out the secret of District 13--seriously, they could have their own book. But they just disappeared somewhere between 12 and 13, and no one ever knew what happened to them. How sad, and what a waste of a story.

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joyfraser September 26 2010, 23:58:46 UTC
No, you're right. I should have been more careful of how I phrased it - I just meant I was disappointed that she was excluded from the final book, but her both her death and how offhandedly it was mentioned fit the tone & plot perfectly.

That too, I hadn't even thought of them. One of them did have a broken (sprained? twisted?) ankle, though, so it's not exactly surprising they didn't make it. Still, very sad.

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pegasus2o5 September 27 2010, 02:01:48 UTC
Hmm, I almost smell a fanfic-- Madge escapes the bombing, meets up with Bonnie and Twill in the woods? I have no idea if the timeline would work, there--I have little concept of time in real life, much less fiction--but if they were slowed down by the injury...

Don't worry, Suzanne Collins, the fanfiction community will fix ALL of your mistakes! :D

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joyfraser September 27 2010, 02:09:48 UTC
Well, the bombing took place sometime when Katniss was in the Capitol for the Games (which was only a period of about ten days). Bonnie and Twill encountered Katniss before the Quell was announced, which was a month? I think? Prior to the Games. Since one of them was injured I think it's possible that if they settled down somewhere in hopes of recovering before moving on they might have still been around at the time of the bombing, but it's a bit of a stretch. That's what fanfiction's for, though ;)

Oh yes we will. I have a whole personal canon for what happened after Mockingjay and nobody can convince me it went any other way XD

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