Last wtf_sexism post...
So that you can see it, Martin. It hasn't been unscreened yet.
Why are you still assuming that you're the only one who read all of his comments? I did read them, and there's actually a lot more sexist bullshit in there that I refrained from quoting. He continues to BWA about "men's rights" throughout his posts, and ends them with "Can't we just call it even?" When asked out-right if he thought it would be "fair" for men to legally force women to go through with a pregnancy, his response was "Absolutely." That was before he started with the "Let's pretend [...]" thing. He is clearly a raging sexist, and this is probably not the best community to be white-knighting for him.
My only, only point in all this was to emphasize that there are plenty of "equality" issues that frankly don't have a good solution.
This issue has a wonderful solution, and it's the solution that is currently in practice. Pregnant people decide what happens to the things inside of their body. Everyone else stays the fuck out of it. It is not "his" child until it's born, no matter how he feels. He has no rights to it until his name is on the birth certificate. He can suck it until then. If a cis* man has sex when he is not in a position to be a parent/with someone who doesn't share his views and he gets his feelings hurt or his life ruined because of it, exactly like any woman who did the same thing would*, so be it. Sounds pretty equal to me.
If you're approaching this from a fair, equal perspective -- there's no such thing as a good answer. If we're going to work together as genders, we need to set aside our preconceived notions of what we think our parts entitle us to and figure out the best working answer.
This is funny, because his whole argument is based on what he (wrongly) thinks that men are entitled to.
From later on:
I'll spot you the exclusive right to choose,
Men get that when they're pregnant.
maternity leave,
Many countries do have "paternity leave," and quite a few feminists (myself including myself) would absolutely stand by the right of men to have maternity leave-when they're pregnant.
affirmative action,
Which helps men get into most colleges in the United States.
admissions, promotions, winning at contests on TV,
... What?
child support,
Which women pay when the man has the child or when there is shared custody and the woman makes more money. Again, the deciding factor here is not the gender of the people involved, but who has possession of the child(ren).
"mother's intuition,"
This comes with institutional benefits now?
child custody,
It is, in fact, very possible for men to get custody in most countries. In some countries, it's the default because of the assumption that only the man will have a decent job.
and benefit of the doubt in an alleged date rape,
Even if survivors actually got that one, which they don't, it's extremely sexist to act as though survives owe men something for this.
and I'll give you the lady's tee, female PT standards, women's professional sports,
Because life is only "fair" if women are forced to live up to standards that were designed to give men an advantage.
your own bathroom,
Somebody doesn't talk to many trans* women. Also, I don't think I've ever seen a women's restroom without a men's restroom somewhere near it, and I know a considerably higher portion of feminists who favor gender-neutral bathroom than members of the general population.
the twilight saga.
Because men die if they touch the Twilight saga? Because all women love Twilight? Because Twilight is somehow more "sexist" against men than women now? Because none of the other extraordinarily sexist best-sellers out there count because men like them? Because all bad literature is the fault of feminism giving women more opportunities to write? I'm really confused about wtf this is even supposed to mean.
if you'll spot me five extra cents on the dollar. Can't we just call it even and move on?
No.
And if I haven't proved by now that the man in question is, in fact, a raging sexist and one of those extremely annoying MRM crybabies (in ideology if not in identity), you're probably never going to get it.
*Only probably to a lesser degree, because society is much more likely to be sympathetic to a man in that position than to a woman.
Why are you still assuming that you're the only one who read all of his comments? I did read them, and there's actually a lot more sexist bullshit in there that I refrained from quoting. He continues to BWA about "men's rights" throughout his posts, and ends them with "Can't we just call it even?" When asked out-right if he thought it would be "fair" for men to legally force women to go through with a pregnancy, his response was "Absolutely." That was before he started with the "Let's pretend [...]" thing. He is clearly a raging sexist, and this is probably not the best community to be white-knighting for him.
My only, only point in all this was to emphasize that there are plenty of "equality" issues that frankly don't have a good solution.
This issue has a wonderful solution, and it's the solution that is currently in practice. Pregnant people decide what happens to the things inside of their body. Everyone else stays the fuck out of it. It is not "his" child until it's born, no matter how he feels. He has no rights to it until his name is on the birth certificate. He can suck it until then. If a cis* man has sex when he is not in a position to be a parent/with someone who doesn't share his views and he gets his feelings hurt or his life ruined because of it, exactly like any woman who did the same thing would*, so be it. Sounds pretty equal to me.
If you're approaching this from a fair, equal perspective -- there's no such thing as a good answer. If we're going to work together as genders, we need to set aside our preconceived notions of what we think our parts entitle us to and figure out the best working answer.
This is funny, because his whole argument is based on what he (wrongly) thinks that men are entitled to.
From later on:
I'll spot you the exclusive right to choose,
Men get that when they're pregnant.
maternity leave,
Many countries do have "paternity leave," and quite a few feminists (myself including myself) would absolutely stand by the right of men to have maternity leave-when they're pregnant.
affirmative action,
Which helps men get into most colleges in the United States.
admissions, promotions, winning at contests on TV,
... What?
child support,
Which women pay when the man has the child or when there is shared custody and the woman makes more money. Again, the deciding factor here is not the gender of the people involved, but who has possession of the child(ren).
"mother's intuition,"
This comes with institutional benefits now?
child custody,
It is, in fact, very possible for men to get custody in most countries. In some countries, it's the default because of the assumption that only the man will have a decent job.
and benefit of the doubt in an alleged date rape,
Even if survivors actually got that one, which they don't, it's extremely sexist to act as though survives owe men something for this.
and I'll give you the lady's tee, female PT standards, women's professional sports,
Because life is only "fair" if women are forced to live up to standards that were designed to give men an advantage.
your own bathroom,
Somebody doesn't talk to many trans* women. Also, I don't think I've ever seen a women's restroom without a men's restroom somewhere near it, and I know a considerably higher portion of feminists who favor gender-neutral bathroom than members of the general population.
the twilight saga.
Because men die if they touch the Twilight saga? Because all women love Twilight? Because Twilight is somehow more "sexist" against men than women now? Because none of the other extraordinarily sexist best-sellers out there count because men like them? Because all bad literature is the fault of feminism giving women more opportunities to write? I'm really confused about wtf this is even supposed to mean.
if you'll spot me five extra cents on the dollar. Can't we just call it even and move on?
No.
And if I haven't proved by now that the man in question is, in fact, a raging sexist and one of those extremely annoying MRM crybabies (in ideology if not in identity), you're probably never going to get it.
*Only probably to a lesser degree, because society is much more likely to be sympathetic to a man in that position than to a woman.