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plasticgrape

Is it bad that I don't know?

Nov 08, 2005 20:32

I didn't vote today.

You couldn't have paid me to vote today.

I don't know if I would have said yes or no to it.

Does that make me a bad person?

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woofytexan November 9 2005, 03:18:27 UTC

For those of us that have spent the past 3 months trying to convince people to get out and vote on election day, that this is a matter of getting a basic civil right and not a religious issue, yes it does.

plasticgrape November 9 2005, 03:25:00 UTC

I don't know if I consider it a 'basic civil right' I don't know that I consider it seperate from religion at all...I'm more inclined to think that gay people shouldn't get 'married' and that judges shouldn't write laws within a courtroom ruling at this point in my life.

I guess I could have added to the overwhelming #s of people that voted for the amendment afterall.

italiangm November 9 2005, 03:41:06 UTC

Because the state (and apparently you) have a compelling interest to deny same sex marriage.

plasticgrape November 9 2005, 03:43:05 UTC

I don't think I have a compelling interst in denying it, but I don't think that the citizens of TX should have to be compelled to accept it either.

I only wish I was as firm in my beliefs overall as you and woofytexan.

italiangm November 9 2005, 03:49:50 UTC

I don't have children. Should I be compelled to pay an outrageous amount of property taxes to support the Dallas School District?

plasticgrape November 9 2005, 03:52:26 UTC

I'm sorry that my decision doesn't coincide with your beliefs, but I'm not going to debate with you.

italiangm November 9 2005, 03:58:03 UTC

Then why did you ask the question in the first place?

plasticgrape November 9 2005, 04:03:28 UTC

Just wanted overall thoughts really.

Apparently you think it does make me a bad person, and thats good to know in someways I guess.

italiangm November 9 2005, 04:33:48 UTC

Asking thoughtworthy questions isn't the same as calling you a "bad person".

Voters in this state decided they're entitled to special rights. In doing so, they've forgotten a fairly important concept reflected in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

This vote unfairly restricts my personal liberty and pursuit of happiness. Now I'll have to waste resources proving the amendment is unconstitutional instead of moving forward. If that doesn't work, perhaps it's time to get government out of the marriage business altogether.

woofytexan November 9 2005, 03:50:44 UTC

OK. Consider this. We are in our 40s. Neither of us have siblings. When our parents pass on, without having the same rights as another married couple, I have no say so when my partner is in the hospital. I cannot dictate to the doctor whether to take him off life support or not. If he were to pass away, the house would be taken away and sold by the state because I am not allowed to put my name on the deed ( ... )

plasticgrape November 9 2005, 04:08:59 UTC

I'm aware of the issues you've presented, I'm a homo too...I live in TX, and I'm in a long term relationship...which ultimately leads me to wonder why you're posting all of that information to me...ya must think I'm either uniformed or stupid because I don't agree with your views.

Overall though, are you honestly surprised by the outcome of the vote???

I work in a retirement home where the people leave the building as little as possible...they had a bus coming to pick them up all day long to go vote the homosexuals out of TX...I mean really...c'mon.

Even if I did totally agree with stopping the amendment I really don't think it could be stopped in TX of all places.

plasticgrape November 9 2005, 04:11:58 UTC

make that an 'uninformed' damn spellcheck :)

woofytexan November 9 2005, 04:49:39 UTC

I was thinking more along the uninformed lines. Not many people I know have fully read the proposition to understand the full implications it will have, not only on the homosexual community but, on the heterosexual community as well.
And no, I am not at all surprised at the numbers. Actually, I will be very surprised if it gets 25% for.
Like I said, my big issue with it is the language of the bill.

It will be fun in the next couple of months to see if ACLU, DGLA, and the other organizations follow through and file suit to have Perry, Chisum, Staples, Delay, and others heterosexual marriages declared null and void since they have power of attorney, living will, and other documents.

Anyway, I am just surprised at your opinions. I guess we shall have to agree to disagree and move on.

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