I just can't stand the hypocrisy of the smoking ban. If second hand smoke is to dangerous for the bar, then how come its ok for people to drive home drunk
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I would prefer everyone be more responsible and not force their bad decisions on me. If someone drives drunk, they can kill me with their car. If someone smokes around me, I'm taking in the same crap they're willingly putting in their lungs, which can eventually kill me. In either case, I am not asking to be hit with a car or to breathe in second-hand smoke
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i understand your point of view. its cool. But i just think the smoking ban is an extremist solution to a common sense problem.
"At the local bar that i work at, every night there is this band that plays blues... they are terrible. I don't want to hear them, ever. I don't like the music, and I should be able to work at the bar without hearing it. I need to find a way to stamp it out.
Ah! Every morning when I wake up, my ears are still ringing. I will go to a doctor and have the doctor tell me that this ringing could be damaging to my eardrum! Yes! Now I have found away to use medical science to legally enforce what happens to be my opinion... a high majority of the patrons in the bar may love the band, and have paid for them to be there, but because they are a problem to me, i will find a way to get them banned."
(now the above story is ridiculous on purpose... it goes to show you that if you take the smoking ban arguement to a logical extreme, it will be proved false...
Your example is not the same thing as the smoking issue. "My ears ring, what do I do?!" "Get eat plugs." "Stop whining about blues music, what a stupid thing to stress over
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you know what? i wouldnt smoke an electric cigarette if a gun was to my head. they have commercials for those on the radio. they make me laugh.
the reality is i quit smoking about 7 months ago... the smoker-discriminators up in lansing taxed me out of the business.
The point i am making is that business owners already developed a solution. the smoke free bar. and, i live in a little hillbilly towns, and none of the places that are smoke free have enough business to stay open past midnight. the places that allow smoking, are much more crowded in the evening hours, and are filled with 70-90 percent smokers... people who have paid the insane takes, and the bar tabs that keep the bars open.
I don't know one college that allows smoking inside. and i am certainly sure that any smokers you might find huddled outside are not endangering you because of your birth control.
And i don't know exactly where you live, but i would be happy to offer smoke free dining solutions that have great food.
You had mentioned your quitting earlier. I'm not sure if congratulations are in order, as it seems you didn't want to quit. If they are, then congratulations. That's a tough habit to break
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see i can totally work with you. You see, California passed a smoking ban, and then shortly after that (in a clear case of what seems to be interstate-peer pressure) new york passed one. then all the states around either passed them conn./new jersey, oregon/colorado ect, and stop smoking companies like nicorette and stuff started funding politicians to support bans
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The reasoning about banning vs. not banning smoking has always been about money, and I will NEVER say that's a good thing to consider. Money shouldn't be a factor... either it's bad for people or it isn't
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So other people have to alter their behavior so you can feel safe in your decision to have sex without consequences? What? Are you seriously using that as an argument
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Now now now. Everyone has there opinion. And I am much more angry at the politicians than any single person's point of view.
It's just sad that "to each is to own" has turned into "i am going to legislate my opinion and there isn't a fuckin' thing you can do to stop it."
The politicians WILL NOT listen to anything I have to say about the smoking ban. They won't argue, respond, offer another point of view, tell me "sorry about my luck", nothing... they totally ignore my point of view. Because if you seriously entertain my point of view, you would have no basis what-so-ever to ban smoking. There is no way you can live a life paranoid of smoking, but look right past drinking and other public dangers. its silly.
and sadly, that's the world we live in.
see if i ever stand up for anyone's shallow personal causes ever again... seriously.
It's just sad that "to each is to own" has turned into "i am going to legislate my opinion and there isn't a fuckin' thing you can do to stop it."
I do agree with that. I seem to recall there being talk of taxing fast food to make people eat it less, and that's bullshit. Educate people and let them make their own decisions. Somebody's choice to eat a Big Mac isn't going to affect someone's choice to eat a salad.
That's cute, considering there aren't hard and fast rules about what being overweight does to your health. Some overweight people are healthier overall than people who weigh less.
The taxes on those foods are already being discussed.
I'm using the fact that second-hand smoke gets into my lungs without me wanting it there as an argument. The fact that I'm on BC is just another con to there being second-hand smoke around me. It still stands that my ability to keep smoke out of my lungs is compromised by other people smoking in public areas, and that's true whether I'm on the Pill or not
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For what it's worth, I understand the slippery slope argument, I just don't think it has a place in the smoking ban argument. The examples you're talking about are things that DO NOT affect other people DIRECTLY (as in, if you're taking birth control and I'm in the room, not only will I probably have no clue that you're taking it, it's not going to hurt me if you do). Smoking is not the same - someone smoking on the other side of the restaurant is making me dizzy, sick to my stomach, making my lungs close up, making my clothes stink. Don't you see a difference
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I have absolutely no problem with your personal choice not to smoke. I don't even have a problem with your preference to not be around it. That's your prerogative and I defend your freedom to make those choices just as fervently as I defend those who choose to smoke. The problem I see is that in the stance you have taken you insist that it's others whose behaviors must change, not your own. Like you said, I could avoid places that play music that I find offensive. I maintain that you could avoid places that allow smoking. As for people smoking outside in areas where it's hard to nearly impossible for you to avoid it, well those people are just rude. You can't legislate rudeness away. The college campus can have rules about it, but the government should stay out of it. If the school has rules about it and no one enforces them? Make some noise! Speak up! Do what you can to effect change, in the way the rules are enforced on campus, NOT in whether or not smoking is even legal
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"At the local bar that i work at, every night there is this band that plays blues... they are terrible. I don't want to hear them, ever. I don't like the music, and I should be able to work at the bar without hearing it. I need to find a way to stamp it out.
Ah! Every morning when I wake up, my ears are still ringing. I will go to a doctor and have the doctor tell me that this ringing could be damaging to my eardrum! Yes! Now I have found away to use medical science to legally enforce what happens to be my opinion... a high majority of the patrons in the bar may love the band, and have paid for them to be there, but because they are a problem to me, i will find a way to get them banned."
(now the above story is ridiculous on purpose... it goes to show you that if you take the smoking ban arguement to a logical extreme, it will be proved false...
What are you gonna do? ban nasty bar bands?
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the reality is i quit smoking about 7 months ago... the smoker-discriminators up in lansing taxed me out of the business.
The point i am making is that business owners already developed a solution. the smoke free bar. and, i live in a little hillbilly towns, and none of the places that are smoke free have enough business to stay open past midnight. the places that allow smoking, are much more crowded in the evening hours, and are filled with 70-90 percent smokers... people who have paid the insane takes, and the bar tabs that keep the bars open.
I don't know one college that allows smoking inside. and i am certainly sure that any smokers you might find huddled outside are not endangering you because of your birth control.
And i don't know exactly where you live, but i would be happy to offer smoke free dining solutions that have great food.
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It's just sad that "to each is to own" has turned into "i am going to legislate my opinion and there isn't a fuckin' thing you can do to stop it."
The politicians WILL NOT listen to anything I have to say about the smoking ban. They won't argue, respond, offer another point of view, tell me "sorry about my luck", nothing... they totally ignore my point of view. Because if you seriously entertain my point of view, you would have no basis what-so-ever to ban smoking. There is no way you can live a life paranoid of smoking, but look right past drinking and other public dangers. its silly.
and sadly, that's the world we live in.
see if i ever stand up for anyone's shallow personal causes ever again... seriously.
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I do agree with that. I seem to recall there being talk of taxing fast food to make people eat it less, and that's bullshit. Educate people and let them make their own decisions. Somebody's choice to eat a Big Mac isn't going to affect someone's choice to eat a salad.
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1990-2010: The war on smoking
2005-2025: The war on "fat" people
Watch for taxes, descrimination, bans, and other asinine legislation.
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The taxes on those foods are already being discussed.
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