ya care?
BoogieManger (3:37:03 PM): elo
Ambidugous (3:37:10 PM): hello
BoogieManger (3:37:14 PM): hows things
Ambidugous (3:37:35 PM): they go
BoogieManger (3:37:49 PM): fo sho shock
Ambidugous (3:39:48 PM): indeeed
boogiemanger (3:39:48 PM): [ Zone Labs Security alert: Session not encrypted because boogiemanger is not protected by IM Security ]
BoogieManger (3:40:02 PM): are you familiar with st. augustine
Ambidugous (3:41:40 PM): he had 5 theological points or something
Ambidugous (3:41:45 PM): right?
BoogieManger (3:41:52 PM): i dunno about that
Ambidugous (3:41:55 PM): like
Ambidugous (3:42:05 PM): one is that God is the first momement
BoogieManger (3:42:18 PM): ohh no youre thinking of aquinas
BoogieManger (3:42:20 PM): 5 ways
Ambidugous (3:42:23 PM): oh right
Ambidugous (3:42:24 PM): yeah
BoogieManger (3:42:28 PM): uncaused cause and all that
BoogieManger (3:42:35 PM): jazz
Ambidugous (3:42:48 PM): augustine I guess I donno
BoogieManger (3:43:10 PM): he was the one who like to drink and fuck bitches
BoogieManger (3:43:25 PM): and then he believed in god of good and god of evil = no one responsible for anything they do
BoogieManger (3:43:47 PM): then he converted to christianity after he hallucinated some kids telling him to read the bible
Ambidugous (3:43:52 PM): very saintly
Ambidugous (3:44:01 PM): and he stopped his carausing about?
BoogieManger (3:45:07 PM): eventually
BoogieManger (3:45:38 PM): he wanted to be good but he couldnt so that led him to write mountains of shit on free will
BoogieManger (3:45:52 PM): i think by the end he was leaning towards determinism again
Ambidugous (3:46:04 PM): silly determinists
BoogieManger (3:46:16 PM): like yoU!
Ambidugous (3:46:21 PM): no
Ambidugous (3:46:26 PM): I am a fatalist
BoogieManger (3:46:44 PM): is that like a form of compatibilism?
Ambidugous (3:47:02 PM): determinism is a very specific form of fatalism
BoogieManger (3:47:30 PM): ohh i thought determinism was the broader category
Ambidugous (3:48:27 PM): determinism I believe assumes a first movememt
Ambidugous (3:48:42 PM): which in turn determines others
BoogieManger (3:49:21 PM): ah like almost a physical explanation for things?
Ambidugous (3:50:13 PM): think so
Ambidugous (3:50:28 PM): not 100% on doctrine's nuances
BoogieManger (3:50:56 PM): and fatalism?
Ambidugous (3:51:25 PM): fatalism is just that thinks will always happen the way they were always going to happen
BoogieManger (3:52:36 PM): what do you mean 'the way they were always gong to happen'
Ambidugous (3:54:32 PM): did it happen?
Ambidugous (3:55:00 PM): there is the conscious experience of temporal reality
BoogieManger (3:55:39 PM): buh?
Ambidugous (3:56:13 PM): spirit cognates time as sequential progression
BoogieManger (3:56:33 PM): whoooa now
Ambidugous (3:56:41 PM): wha?
BoogieManger (3:56:48 PM): what the heck
BoogieManger (3:56:58 PM): spirit cognates time
BoogieManger (3:57:04 PM): as sequential progression
BoogieManger (3:57:21 PM): wait time is intinsically sequential
BoogieManger (3:57:32 PM): it dont need to cognating to get that way
Ambidugous (3:58:06 PM): "time"
Ambidugous (3:58:20 PM): change in appearance
BoogieManger (3:58:30 PM): ooh i see
BoogieManger (3:58:55 PM): but change also, requires sequence
Ambidugous (3:59:15 PM): that's how cognition works
BoogieManger (3:59:54 PM): arite, but that being said, where does fatalism come in
Ambidugous (4:00:19 PM): becoming is what it is
BoogieManger (4:01:11 PM): i dunno, that kind of thing used to be appealing to me, but now im getting suspicious that it is vacuous
Ambidugous (4:01:37 PM): put in what you will
BoogieManger (4:02:10 PM): wha?
Ambidugous (4:02:28 PM): will have something in it, then
BoogieManger (4:02:58 PM): have something in what
Ambidugous (4:03:30 PM): experience
BoogieManger (4:05:00 PM): experience has content, but are you saying that each experience somehow encompassess all experience as a totality?
Ambidugous (4:05:27 PM): everything is everything
BoogieManger (4:05:47 PM): just like lauren hill huh
Ambidugous (4:06:08 PM): sure
BoogieManger (4:06:40 PM): ok, lets assume, for arguments sake, that that is correct
BoogieManger (4:07:36 PM): since man can imagine himself in an isolated way from this everything, and can even recognize independent objects, isnt that some kind of unnatural ability that defieis the laws of existence in general?"
Ambidugous (4:09:14 PM): no just part of it
BoogieManger (4:10:00 PM): do you really mean to say, sir, that existence has parts????
Ambidugous (4:10:26 PM): "parts"
Ambidugous (4:10:32 PM): pattern
Ambidugous (4:10:44 PM): a particular pattern in the messy mess
BoogieManger (4:10:57 PM): as far as existence goes there is no messy mess
BoogieManger (4:11:05 PM): existence is the one thing that tidies everything up
Ambidugous (4:11:28 PM): never said that there cannot be immaculate mess
BoogieManger (4:12:14 PM): ive got to go pass out, my cold medicine has made me drowsy
BoogieManger (4:12:21 PM): well clean this up later
BoogieManger signed off at 4:12:34 PM.
Ambidugous (3:37:10 PM): hello
BoogieManger (3:37:14 PM): hows things
Ambidugous (3:37:35 PM): they go
BoogieManger (3:37:49 PM): fo sho shock
Ambidugous (3:39:48 PM): indeeed
boogiemanger (3:39:48 PM): [ Zone Labs Security alert: Session not encrypted because boogiemanger is not protected by IM Security ]
BoogieManger (3:40:02 PM): are you familiar with st. augustine
Ambidugous (3:41:40 PM): he had 5 theological points or something
Ambidugous (3:41:45 PM): right?
BoogieManger (3:41:52 PM): i dunno about that
Ambidugous (3:41:55 PM): like
Ambidugous (3:42:05 PM): one is that God is the first momement
BoogieManger (3:42:18 PM): ohh no youre thinking of aquinas
BoogieManger (3:42:20 PM): 5 ways
Ambidugous (3:42:23 PM): oh right
Ambidugous (3:42:24 PM): yeah
BoogieManger (3:42:28 PM): uncaused cause and all that
BoogieManger (3:42:35 PM): jazz
Ambidugous (3:42:48 PM): augustine I guess I donno
BoogieManger (3:43:10 PM): he was the one who like to drink and fuck bitches
BoogieManger (3:43:25 PM): and then he believed in god of good and god of evil = no one responsible for anything they do
BoogieManger (3:43:47 PM): then he converted to christianity after he hallucinated some kids telling him to read the bible
Ambidugous (3:43:52 PM): very saintly
Ambidugous (3:44:01 PM): and he stopped his carausing about?
BoogieManger (3:45:07 PM): eventually
BoogieManger (3:45:38 PM): he wanted to be good but he couldnt so that led him to write mountains of shit on free will
BoogieManger (3:45:52 PM): i think by the end he was leaning towards determinism again
Ambidugous (3:46:04 PM): silly determinists
BoogieManger (3:46:16 PM): like yoU!
Ambidugous (3:46:21 PM): no
Ambidugous (3:46:26 PM): I am a fatalist
BoogieManger (3:46:44 PM): is that like a form of compatibilism?
Ambidugous (3:47:02 PM): determinism is a very specific form of fatalism
BoogieManger (3:47:30 PM): ohh i thought determinism was the broader category
Ambidugous (3:48:27 PM): determinism I believe assumes a first movememt
Ambidugous (3:48:42 PM): which in turn determines others
BoogieManger (3:49:21 PM): ah like almost a physical explanation for things?
Ambidugous (3:50:13 PM): think so
Ambidugous (3:50:28 PM): not 100% on doctrine's nuances
BoogieManger (3:50:56 PM): and fatalism?
Ambidugous (3:51:25 PM): fatalism is just that thinks will always happen the way they were always going to happen
BoogieManger (3:52:36 PM): what do you mean 'the way they were always gong to happen'
Ambidugous (3:54:32 PM): did it happen?
Ambidugous (3:55:00 PM): there is the conscious experience of temporal reality
BoogieManger (3:55:39 PM): buh?
Ambidugous (3:56:13 PM): spirit cognates time as sequential progression
BoogieManger (3:56:33 PM): whoooa now
Ambidugous (3:56:41 PM): wha?
BoogieManger (3:56:48 PM): what the heck
BoogieManger (3:56:58 PM): spirit cognates time
BoogieManger (3:57:04 PM): as sequential progression
BoogieManger (3:57:21 PM): wait time is intinsically sequential
BoogieManger (3:57:32 PM): it dont need to cognating to get that way
Ambidugous (3:58:06 PM): "time"
Ambidugous (3:58:20 PM): change in appearance
BoogieManger (3:58:30 PM): ooh i see
BoogieManger (3:58:55 PM): but change also, requires sequence
Ambidugous (3:59:15 PM): that's how cognition works
BoogieManger (3:59:54 PM): arite, but that being said, where does fatalism come in
Ambidugous (4:00:19 PM): becoming is what it is
BoogieManger (4:01:11 PM): i dunno, that kind of thing used to be appealing to me, but now im getting suspicious that it is vacuous
Ambidugous (4:01:37 PM): put in what you will
BoogieManger (4:02:10 PM): wha?
Ambidugous (4:02:28 PM): will have something in it, then
BoogieManger (4:02:58 PM): have something in what
Ambidugous (4:03:30 PM): experience
BoogieManger (4:05:00 PM): experience has content, but are you saying that each experience somehow encompassess all experience as a totality?
Ambidugous (4:05:27 PM): everything is everything
BoogieManger (4:05:47 PM): just like lauren hill huh
Ambidugous (4:06:08 PM): sure
BoogieManger (4:06:40 PM): ok, lets assume, for arguments sake, that that is correct
BoogieManger (4:07:36 PM): since man can imagine himself in an isolated way from this everything, and can even recognize independent objects, isnt that some kind of unnatural ability that defieis the laws of existence in general?"
Ambidugous (4:09:14 PM): no just part of it
BoogieManger (4:10:00 PM): do you really mean to say, sir, that existence has parts????
Ambidugous (4:10:26 PM): "parts"
Ambidugous (4:10:32 PM): pattern
Ambidugous (4:10:44 PM): a particular pattern in the messy mess
BoogieManger (4:10:57 PM): as far as existence goes there is no messy mess
BoogieManger (4:11:05 PM): existence is the one thing that tidies everything up
Ambidugous (4:11:28 PM): never said that there cannot be immaculate mess
BoogieManger (4:12:14 PM): ive got to go pass out, my cold medicine has made me drowsy
BoogieManger (4:12:21 PM): well clean this up later
BoogieManger signed off at 4:12:34 PM.