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From Go-Quiz.comI think it's strangely accurate except for the generic Xxtreme part. I'm sure they would put that on anyone's X. Michael's Bday was yesterday. It was rather lovely. I think he had a nice time. I got ( Read more... )

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limner October 21 2005, 06:13:15 UTC
I am unaware of the negative impression my girl has for your boy. You both have good bits and bad bits. Just like J and J. And just like us. And mostly I don't care to be really in the middle of drama which is not mine out of necessity. I gave you what objective advice I could, and them what objective advice I could ( ... )

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circusofsouls October 21 2005, 15:49:53 UTC
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Yep. I like that method. Especially with the grandmother who is insanely stubborn. To the point communication attempts are useless.
But you have to be prepared for those of use that aren't involved to innocently ask things like, "Is Uncle Richard coming?" Which allows a small amount of communication on our opinion and is fun in and of itself.

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limner October 21 2005, 16:08:11 UTC
I don't get the last bit. Uncle Richard is whom? Is that Wint? God, people have too many names. I know she likes Wint now. Is Uncle Richard a different person? You have too many uncles! I want to know what it meaaaans. :)

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circusofsouls October 21 2005, 22:56:23 UTC
Yes, Richard = Winston in this case. And mostly fun to ask about him in front of Uncle Rusty or Aunt Ann.

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pixeeperfect October 21 2005, 19:53:42 UTC
I don't think so anymore...I have a feeling OUR problem is actually not OUR problem at all (meaning you and I specifically). I think it's a sibling thing between your boy and mine. Not sure how to clarify it because I know little about it myself. I think only hostility present is between Michael and Shadowsoul (sorry I didn't use your lj names in update...kinda forgot...I'll edit it). If any talking should occur, it should be between them consensually (and I kinda doubt that to happen). I am totally down with going from here as far as you guys and me are concerned. I'm not sure if I can do that with Jamie, though I know I can with Jared. Although I am completely down with coming to a conclusion of civility and respect, I fail to see stupid girl making an attempt to even hear us out, even tho we were the ones with the initial problem and had to listen to her snotty ass remarks before she even listened to our original need to talk to her. Not sure if I can even be in the same room with that, but we'll see. Sorry if I hassle you about it ( ... )

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limner October 23 2005, 21:46:12 UTC
Richard is not currently aware of any problem. Or, to put it differently, several people have told us there is a problem in the last week or so, you and either Jared or Jamie, I don't remember which, but until Mike sees fit to bring it up we don't care. Any issue he has with Richard is between him and his therapist until he decides otherwise, as far as I'm concerned. He hasn't made any noise, other than his long history of not wanting his friends to be friends with Rich, and while I have my theories about where all that comes from, again it's between him and his councelor, until he decides otherwise. I don't much go for that 'go between' stuff, unless it's an actual organized mediation type of thing. Although if so many people seem to think there's all this conflict, there could be some truth to it all, but even then I'll assume the truth is something else, and not listen to all the noise. It's not only not my problem, it isn't Richard's problem either. IMO ( ... )

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missed point taken, another shot at point given pixeeperfect October 26 2005, 17:12:10 UTC
As far as you are concerned? a therapist? Ok, you apparently care too much. When I said it was Michael and Richard's "problem" and not ours, i meant it concerned, dealt with, and only included them and not us...my mistake. No real reason to assume conflict or even mediate. Either way, you are not involved. If they talk about it one day, cool, if they don't, cool. Michael doesn't lose any sleep over this issue, and he CERTAINLY does not care enough about it enough to talk to a counselor. I am the only one "making noise" about not wanting to go to xmas b/c of pressure and conflict. I perfectly understand the "family" reality of nothing really mattering in the long run. However, I am NOT part of this family and Michael seems to want me at y'all's xmas. This is difficult for ME and ME alone (hence my posting in the first place, not to have this silly discussion). If you absolutely had to analyze this, I find it a waste of your time to consult J&J about it. Their opinion is obviously biased b/c of how we all feel about each other. But the ( ... )

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Re: missed point taken, another shot at point given limner October 26 2005, 18:14:26 UTC
Wow, bring out the bitchy. I didn't consult them, they mentioned it before. I hadn't mentioned the rumor that Mike has a problem with Rich because it's a rumor. I inferred from previous incidents that he dislikes Richard, like his not wanting his friends to be friends with Rich, but again, since it was tangential there was really nothing to be done. Now you seem to be confirming it, and again I say RICHARD DOES NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH MIKE. Although if Mike keeps letting those around him, you as well as J and J and even Tommy seems aware, know how much he dislikes Rich, and it keeps coming back to us, maybe he'll develop one. I certainly find it hard to like people who persist in disliking me, so I wouldn't blame Richard. Anyway, I didn't ask, I haven't spoken them since you last responded, I haven't pointed out to them livejournal to involve them, I haven't shared correspondance with them on this, and I'm sorry for obviously sticking some sort of bee in your bonnet. I guess your refusal to rely on things you ACTUALLY know of people ( ... )

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Re: missed point taken, another shot at point given pixeeperfect October 27 2005, 04:47:28 UTC
Again...point missed.

Lets clear things up to what they're actually about.

The original entry summary: wasn't sure how you guys felt about us. And Michael thought Leslie had a bad impression of him.

PULL YOUR PANTIES OUT OF THE WAD IN YOUR BUTT AND MOVE ON!!!

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Re: missed point taken, another shot at point given theshadowsouled October 27 2005, 05:54:00 UTC
I think this is an apology. Limner's not so convinced. She's still concerned about all the things you said in the heat of anger. She also thought that "panties, wad, and butt" seemed to still contain aspects of that anger. I thought that the line was an attempt to 'lighten' the mood. It's certainly lighter than the previous! She feels that it's possible that you said some things that you can't take back without actually taking them back. I do agree that issues appear to have been broached that should really be dealt with.

"wasn't sure how you guys felt about us."Well, I wasn't sure about how Mike felt about me, I had noticed that he'd not really responded to overtures of friendship, but he could have just been busy. I didn't assume anything actually negative. I still don't *know* that he has a problem with me and can't really imagine what any potential problem might be. Leslie had a general good impression of you two overall, at the time. Mindy was under the impression that you two were friends, and also didn't know of any issues ( ... )

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Re: missed point taken, another shot at point given pixeeperfect October 27 2005, 19:20:27 UTC
I could not agree with you more, at least about the first part...yes, I was trying to clear the air. Perhaps I should have said we BOTH should pull our panties out of the wad in our butt and move on...once again, my mistake. Just another "common phrase" that Limner is apparently unable to coach me on. It means to calm down and quit with the intensity. I am willing to do just this, in fact, I will whether she does or not.

The reason the problem continues is that she continues with hostility which began the entire argument. I will continue to respond to with the "civility" she has shown me. She tells me about being civil while rudeness still prevails. It astounds me, and yes, when I am astounded at how someone thinks they can be rude to me b/c I am usually quiet, I react with vigor.

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Re: missed point taken, another shot at point given theshadowsouled November 1 2005, 23:27:10 UTC
"The reason the problem continues is that she continues with hostility which began the entire argument."

Either more miscommunication or more misunderstanding there. I completely didn't see any hostility or even lightly upset-ness or anything in her initial response, while I did interprete a rather large amount of hostility and upset-ness in your response to that. Things seem to have degenerated from there...

"I will continue to respond to with the "civility" she has shown me. She tells me about being civil while rudeness still prevails."I really don't see *any* other possible interpretation of this other than that you do plan to continue being 'as civil as she is being to me', and that you think she is being very rude. Which further implies that you did intend your responses to be rude, to be uncivil ( ... )

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Re: missed point taken, another shot at point given pixeeperfect November 4 2005, 17:24:30 UTC
No, too much analyzation. Not enough common sense.

I think the two of you tend to be rather snotty and simply not know it, or a worse case scenario: you know it and then create a whole entire argument against it.

Either way I am going to take Limner's original stance and consider it to be the former and not care if it's the latter.

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Re: missed point taken, another shot at point given limner October 27 2005, 14:27:21 UTC
It is useless to deny acceleration of the issues and speak with such hostility at the same time. I consider the original issue dealt with. You actually requested feedback, and I gave it to you, though you disagreed with it. The original response: "We had no problem with you. Leslie had a good impression of Mike." You let your words get away from you when you are upset, and now THAT is the issue at hand. Now I have a problem with you. Among other semi permanent things, you've shown disrespect for my girlfriend. On your side you've apparently been hurt by my use of what I took to be common phrases, and I apologize for any hurt you got from it, through this misunderstanding. My panties, to stick with the theme, do not seem to be the ones actually wadded, since to me that implies a certain amount of excitement. I'm a little mad, and insulted, which you can count as the same thing if you want, but I'm certainly not alone here in wadded panty land. I see we are not friends, but considering what low esteem you hold for both the ones I love, ( ... )

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Re: missed point taken, another shot at point given pixeeperfect October 27 2005, 16:37:35 UTC
No mamn, I did not request feedback. Nor did I choose to escalate the situation. I actually tried to change the subject. I don't care about anything you have been saying except that you disrespected Michael and therefore disrespected me with your use of "common phrases." You may have meant, as Richard stated, that we should move on and let Michael deal with it himself. But you said it rudely, mentioning his need of a therapist or something. I don't care what angle you people twist it to look like, that is rude. It is to the effect: "Go talk to someone who cares ( ... )

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Re: missed point taken, another shot at point given limner October 27 2005, 17:44:26 UTC
Ok, whatever. My pet? What the hell is that? I already apologized for using phrases with which you were unfamiliar. I do not apologize for the content. I don't see therapy as a bad thing, that only the crazy go to, or something. That's YOUR prejudice, not mine. I meant actually you by 'therapist' or 'counselor', but didn't want to imply a limit as to whom he was allowed to go to for such counsel. Anyway, I didn't insult him at all, ever. But fine, since you are unable to see past your veil of anger and self righteousness, so be it. I expect you to keep a civil tongue, but I'm not in charge of you, and if you don't I won't hold myself accountable. I will do my best to remain civil, but that really isn't for your benefit, so it doesn't demand reciprocation. Talk down to you my .. foot. (That's also a common phrase, slightly cleaned up..) I'll try to respect that request by not talking to you at all.

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