The Pagan Pet Peeve Thread

Oct 21, 2005 08:18

Because I always post inane crap when I'm trying to make deadline and am in imminent danger of having my brains bleed out my ears if I proof one more thoroughly incomprehensible sentence, I bring you the First Annual Pagan Pet Peeve Thread!Post screening is off, and anyone is welcome to pimp this anywhere you like ( Read more... )

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This inspired me to write... cavefelem October 21 2005, 13:52:52 UTC
Teh Stupid Introduction to Paganism

Paganism is a religion. Yes, a single, huge religion under an ever-loving Momma Goddess! (There's a God somewhere in there, too, but He's mostly brushed under the carpet, because things like hairy thighs and hunting and antlers are politically touchy.) Pagans celebrate eight sabbats, do magic on full moons and dance around in circles. If they don't do that, they're obviously not Pagans, so boo on them.

It's nice to be Pagan, because you get to cast spells. It's really easy: just rub some oil on a coloured candle and recite a little poem. (You don't even have to write it yourself! That's what Ravenwolf and McCoy are for!) When you can do spells, it means there'll never, ever be anything wrong in your life, because you can make your own reality. If something in your life sucks, that means you suck and probably deserve it because you did something bad in a past life.

Oh! There's one more thing! There's a rule called Rede that you will have to follow if you want to be a Pagan. It goes, "And you harmeth none, do what you want", which basically means you can do whatever as long as you don't eat meat or bind anyone with silk rope while doing it. There are some nasty people who do those things, but we Pagans don't support it because it's bad and oppressive.

Starbright Silvery Blessings!

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Re: This inspired me to write... pinkpolarity October 21 2005, 14:10:24 UTC
Ahh, Sparklypoodles. Reminds you that poodles are cute and fluffy, but they can be really nasty if you coddle and spoil them.

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Re: This inspired me to write... cavefelem October 21 2005, 14:25:32 UTC
The "you make your own reality" crowd is probably the worst, and they're not limited to the ranks of the lil' sparklies, either. Like, if a car runs over me from behind, I'm obviously a bad witch because my magical protection didn't stop the car or make it fly over my head like KITT. :P

Granted, people usually have more control over their lives than they give themselves credit for... but some take "magical thinking" a bit too far.

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Re: This inspired me to write... pinkpolarity October 21 2005, 14:32:02 UTC
Or, if you have a chronic illness, you've obviously manifesting deep-seated inner issues, since disease is really "dis-ease". This makes me want to beat them over the head with a club made of all of my prescription bottles melted together. I mean, there's such a big difference between that and "your fibromyalgia is all in your head." Except, you know, not.

(Biggest Dianic Pet Peeve: stupid cutesy words. Wimmin. Wombyn. Dis-ease. All-one-ness. Despite my general rantiness, there really aren't that many things that I put in the "makes me want to claw my eyes out with a rusty spoon" category, but that's one of them. Along with its cousin, the use of made-up gender neutral pronouns on mailing lists (not always by Pagans, but often), especially the Hollywood-Nazi-sounding "zie" and "zir".)

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Re: This inspired me to write... wedjbai October 22 2005, 18:56:35 UTC
"Or, if you have a chronic illness, you've obviously manifesting deep-seated inner issues, since disease is really "dis-ease". This makes me want to beat them over the head with a club made of all of my prescription bottles melted together. I mean, there's such a big difference between that and "your fibromyalgia is all in your head." Except, you know, not."

I've been told that fibromyalgia is a "karmic debt" that I'm paying for something terrible I did in a past life. What the fuck ever.

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Re: This inspired me to write... theczech October 21 2005, 15:13:50 UTC
I think the culmination of this is what I consider to be the fluffiest/silliest religious belief I have ever heard and that is the belief that the afterlife is you choosing what you want to do with your next life. Not only does it introduce the insane idea that people with crappy lives chose their lot, but it indicates belief in an overall fluffiness in life that you would have to be the most spoiled individual imaginable to accept. I mean really, how could anyone who has ever had a real problem believe this?

I remember when I was in grad school, there were these fundies that would preach on the main square all the time. One time, I saw a guy arguing with one of them and this guy made the "afterlife of your choosing" argument. Of course, the fundie didn't care for this, and the whole discussion was like a train wreck to watch, but what amazed me was that the fluffy guy actually managed to look more stupid than the fundie. No mean feat.

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Re: This inspired me to write... pinkpolarity October 21 2005, 16:33:32 UTC
Wait. I'm trying to figure out what you're talking about, specifically. I *do* think that there is/may be a lot of processing between lives, and that there probably is an element of choice. Not on a "blame the victim" level, but on a "there's a point to suffering" level. If I didn't, I'd take one look at the fact that my future will probably involve endless and worsening pain and simply put an end to it right here, right now. I don't because I believe better is expected of me, and if I fail in whatever task has been set for me in the process of living this life, I'll just have to repeat it all over again. What's spoiled about that? I don't understand.

(I still haven't quite worked out how I react to the Egyptian concept of the afterlife, and I'm NOT cool with the idea (promulgated by many modern Kemetics) that just about everyone is Justified (their heart is judged by Ma'at and found to be in balance). I do think you have to work pretty hard to get tossed to the Devourer (it's way the heck easier to go to Hell under Christian doctrine!), but I do think it happens.)

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theczech October 21 2005, 16:55:29 UTC
But don't you think that there is a distinct different between your current life influencing your next life and somebody asking you exactly what you want for your next life like you are choosing what to have for dinner? I've heard the latter espoused, and to me, that's even dumber than heaven and hell.

I don't want to too far down the road of armchair psychoanalysis because hey, I could be wrong, but I just don't see how someone can believe that the universe is that kind without having had a very easy pleasant life. Or maybe they've just had such a miserable life that they have to believe in something else that's so fluffy.

Admittedly, since I don't believe in an afterlife, it is all just varying degrees of silly to me.

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pinkpolarity October 21 2005, 17:09:27 UTC
What you *want*? Yes, that's pretty ridiculous. I'd like to think that when you're dead, you're a bit beyond "well, I'd like a shiny car in the next life, and maybe a Nintendo?" The universe is not kind, the Gods are not kind. Benevolent, at times, fair, at times, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "kind". I can't imagine any benefit to being kept in a state of eternal infancy. Good grief, video games don't even work that way!

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theczech October 21 2005, 18:21:20 UTC
Oh, yeah. We were talking about the ridiculous, and I can't think of a better example in my experience. I have heard people say that they believe you select what social position you will have in your next life, how many lovers you will have, etc. Apparantly some people choose to be poor and sexless. It is all just extemely banal.

It seems like most of our criticisms concern one form of fluffiness or another, so this has become the anti-fluffy vent.

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Re: This inspired me to write... cavefelem October 22 2005, 09:17:09 UTC
Yikes! Last time I even looked at WWS was over a year ago, and it certainly wasn't my intent to plagiarise. I hope it's the content and not the form that is so similar...

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