sooooo, bush screws over the majority of the american people with his budget...what else is new? cutting programs for the poor to pay for taxcuts for the wealthy...it pays the bills, almost.
one thing reagan did during his presidency...ixpialidociousFebruary 15 2005, 04:45:29 UTC
After four years of Jimmy Carter's human rights nagging, the region's anticommunist hard-liners were thrilled that they had someone in the White House who understood their problems. The oligarchs and the generals had good reason for the optimism. For years, Reagan had been a staunch defender of right-wing regimes that engaged in bloody counterinsurgency campaigns against leftist enemies. In the late 1970s, when Carter's human rights coordinator, Pat Derian, criticized the Argentine military for its "dirty war" -- tens of thousands of "disappearances," tortures and murders -- then-political commentator Reagan joshed that she should "walk a mile in the moccasins” of the Argentine generals before criticizing them. [For details, see Martin Edwin Andersen's Dossier Secreto.] Despite his aw shucks style, Reagan found virtually every anticommunist action justified, no matter how brutal. From his eight years in the White House, there is no historical indication that he was troubled by the bloodbath and even genocide that occurred in Central America during his presidency, while he was shipping hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to the implicated forces.
The death toll was staggering -- an estimated 70,000 or more political killings in El Salvador, possibly 20,000 slain from the contra war in Nicaragua, about 200 political "disappearances" in Honduras and some 100,000 people eliminated during a resurgence of political violence in Guatemala.
The one consistent element in these slaughters was the overarching Cold War rationalization, emanating in large part from Ronald Reagan's White House. The Historical Clarification Commission, an independent human rights body, estimated that the conflict claimed the lives of some 200,000 people with the most savage bloodletting occurring in the 1980s.
wow, let me just say, what a fine fine man reagan was. Hey! atleast we can say he looked after our economy, right?...
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...ixpialidociousFebruary 15 2005, 04:48:21 UTC
so, remind me, how did he help those 200,000 people in central america? i think it could be argued that those people went 6 feet under, not 4 steps ahead...
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...westy3901February 15 2005, 05:00:53 UTC
those are people, my friend. I SAID THE ECONOMY WAS FOUR STEPS AHEAD, something totally unrelated to people in other countries. Using your logic, you can blame 9/11 on Clinton because he completed the training of Osama bin Laden that Bush Senior began.
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...pimpsmackbiyachFebruary 15 2005, 05:08:13 UTC
actually, i'd say it would be more apt to blame it on Bush Sr., he did begin it, as you said yourself. concerning the economy, see below. and besides, she's just illustrating the point that reagan was a terrible person, i hope he's having a great time in hell.
and nick, stop trying to convince yourself that rich people and stock brokers getting richer makes everybody better off, it doesn't.
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...westy3901February 15 2005, 05:13:39 UTC
they help the economy, don't twist my words, peter. i never said it was better for everyone, it's mathematically proven that they are better to cut for than poor people.
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...westy3901February 15 2005, 06:08:20 UTC
the website headings speak for themselves. It's perfect i suppose, if you want a small-growth grassroots commie system of doing things where no one benefits.
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...westy3901February 15 2005, 06:06:34 UTC
dude gimme a fucking break, it has nothing to do with the world being nice, in fact companies profitability often comes from exploitation and competition. What brian said makes PERFECT SENSE and you it's becoming more and more obvious that you can't back yourself up worth shit when you reply with meaningless repetitive statements like 'facts are facts' and 'if only the world were so nice'. WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN?
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...westy3901February 15 2005, 06:14:00 UTC
forgive me, i was listening to 'southern man' when i wrote that. You are very well-researched and intelligent (though not as much as brian). But that doesn't change the fact that you aren't explaining yourself in this matter. 'facts are facts', as you would say
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...pimpsmackbiyachFebruary 16 2005, 04:00:37 UTC
what do you mean i'm not backing myself up. i give you source after source, and you dismiss them because you think that they're "liberal" as if it's a crime, but being conservative is A ok. i'm pretty much sick and tired of you blowing the horn of capitalism too. its got to be easy, to talk about how capitalism works, as your stock broker father sends you to a $20,000 school. never mind the fact that it screws over those who actually have to do real work for money, as opposed to drink americanos and read the wall street journal. what you are advocating is a system that fucks over the majority of the people. you do realize that the capitalist theory you worship was written by men who never had to do real work or know what it was like to be poor. this isn't the system in place in the u.s. today, but it's what you are advocating.
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...westy3901February 16 2005, 06:08:03 UTC
it's not a government, it's a way of economics. and he's not a stock broker. there's nothing wrong with the wall street journal. and i didn't say that being liberal is a bad thing, im not conservative. the people who do what you call 'real work' usually slack off when they are kids. capitalism creates something for people to work for, and it helps us use technology to develop medicine, food, and other good things. a highly competitive market forces companies to make their products better and more affordable while expanding the horizon and developing technology all along instead of having your andrew weekes hippie guy make you a pair of pants that costs 150 fucking dollars.
Re: one thing reagan did during his presidency...pimpsmackbiyachFebruary 17 2005, 00:52:10 UTC
so basically, what you just said is that poor people are slackers. hmmmmm. i agree that the competition created by capitalism is a good thing. capitalism, it its essence, however, is not good for the working class. the system we have now, which is a sort of watered down capitalism works fine in my book.
The oligarchs and the generals had good reason for the optimism. For years, Reagan had been a staunch defender of right-wing regimes that engaged in bloody counterinsurgency campaigns against leftist enemies.
In the late 1970s, when Carter's human rights coordinator, Pat Derian, criticized the Argentine military for its "dirty war" -- tens of thousands of "disappearances," tortures and murders -- then-political commentator Reagan joshed that she should "walk a mile in the moccasins” of the Argentine generals before criticizing them. [For details, see Martin Edwin Andersen's Dossier Secreto.]
Despite his aw shucks style, Reagan found virtually every anticommunist action justified, no matter how brutal. From his eight years in the White House, there is no historical indication that he was troubled by the bloodbath and even genocide that occurred in Central America during his presidency, while he was shipping hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to the implicated forces.
The death toll was staggering -- an estimated 70,000 or more political killings in El Salvador, possibly 20,000 slain from the contra war in Nicaragua, about 200 political "disappearances" in Honduras and some 100,000 people eliminated during a resurgence of political violence in Guatemala.
The one consistent element in these slaughters was the overarching Cold War rationalization, emanating in large part from Ronald Reagan's White House.
The Historical Clarification Commission, an independent human rights body, estimated that the conflict claimed the lives of some 200,000 people with the most savage bloodletting occurring in the 1980s.
wow, let me just say, what a fine fine man reagan was. Hey! atleast we can say he looked after our economy, right?...
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and nick, stop trying to convince yourself that rich people and stock brokers getting richer makes everybody better off, it doesn't.
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http://www.faireconomy.org/research/TrickleDown.html
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=5888&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported
how's that?
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Investing it will allow a company more money, meaning they can hire for workers, thus employing more people.
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