Adapted from a comment left torabid1st 's entry regarding Day 5 of "Children of Earth" (Torchwood S3) and including mentions of the Finale of BSG. ( Spolers ahead )
And I thought I was up late. ;-)phdeliciousJuly 11 2009, 12:20:58 UTC
hat jack essentially turned into the man for whom he was searching for so long,
And not just searching for - hating for running. I mean, I guess after all these years he can now be all "Doctor I understand your pain" but these boys seem to have trouble learning from the past.
the cheese stands alone. and doctor who, at least, was a children's show. what kind of message are they sending? when crappy things happen to you and yours and you may have had hand in it, you just run away?
Which I think is just wrong on sooooo many levels, but RTD seems to be committed to this as a universal truth. It almost seem to boil down to an attempt to make us disbelieve in heroes. You know - sure they look heroic if you only see them once but once you actually know them...
I don't understand the Gwen hate either really, but I believe it's something about how she was a self-righteous prig who got a free pass whenever she made mistakes and looked down on the others when they made their own. <- That's a mash-up of a couple of posts I read back in the early days. I've been a Jack/Gwen shipper from the beginning but I can be flexible. After S2 I was more than willing to take Ianto/Jack/Gwen forged out of the misery of losing Tosh and Owen.
I'm going to keep watching. But I probably won't stick to the BBC schedule or play along in fandom, unless something amazing happens. I think it's clearly open for there to be more Torchwood with a completely different cast or with Gwen as the boss years down the road, but as usual it's the characters that have kept ppl watching not the concept and with hardly any over lap it'd be like rebooting the series and I don't think there's enough of a base for that.
don't understand the aversion to a happily ever after ending. fairy tales have been around a long, long, long time and they're indefatigable for a reason. sometimes, we just want a happy ending.
I know the point you're making, but I feel obligated to mention that before the Disnification of fairy tales a lot of them ended in tragedy more morality plays than what we currently expect.
Re: And I thought I was up late. ;-)wintergreen126July 11 2009, 16:10:44 UTC
it's the characters that have kept ppl watching not the concept
exactly. this isn't like law and order (the original), where the cast structure and most storylines are built to accommodate rotating characters and discontinuous plots.
before the Disnification of fairy tales a lot of them ended in tragedy
oh, i know. but then we changed them for a happier ending. i guess what i meant is that if fairy tales can evolve past doom and gloom, then rtd can, too. well, in theory ;o)
And not just searching for - hating for running. I mean, I guess after all these years he can now be all "Doctor I understand your pain" but these boys seem to have trouble learning from the past.
the cheese stands alone. and doctor who, at least, was a children's show. what kind of message are they sending? when crappy things happen to you and yours and you may have had hand in it, you just run away?
Which I think is just wrong on sooooo many levels, but RTD seems to be committed to this as a universal truth. It almost seem to boil down to an attempt to make us disbelieve in heroes. You know - sure they look heroic if you only see them once but once you actually know them...
I don't understand the Gwen hate either really, but I believe it's something about how she was a self-righteous prig who got a free pass whenever she made mistakes and looked down on the others when they made their own. <- That's a mash-up of a couple of posts I read back in the early days. I've been a Jack/Gwen shipper from the beginning but I can be flexible. After S2 I was more than willing to take Ianto/Jack/Gwen forged out of the misery of losing Tosh and Owen.
I'm going to keep watching. But I probably won't stick to the BBC schedule or play along in fandom, unless something amazing happens. I think it's clearly open for there to be more Torchwood with a completely different cast or with Gwen as the boss years down the road, but as usual it's the characters that have kept ppl watching not the concept and with hardly any over lap it'd be like rebooting the series and I don't think there's enough of a base for that.
don't understand the aversion to a happily ever after ending. fairy tales have been around a long, long, long time and they're indefatigable for a reason. sometimes, we just want a happy ending.
I know the point you're making, but I feel obligated to mention that before the Disnification of fairy tales a lot of them ended in tragedy more morality plays than what we currently expect.
Hope you go to sleep in.
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exactly. this isn't like law and order (the original), where the cast structure and most storylines are built to accommodate rotating characters and discontinuous plots.
before the Disnification of fairy tales a lot of them ended in tragedy
oh, i know. but then we changed them for a happier ending. i guess what i meant is that if fairy tales can evolve past doom and gloom, then rtd can, too. well, in theory ;o)
and i did sleep in!
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You're lucky. The boys have been refusing to let me sleep past 6. I think I might need a nap now.
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