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Sep 09, 2010 18:07

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Pharoah Ashseti 4:16 pm
(4:16:12 PM): YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo
tor3e 4:16 pm
(4:16:25 PM): AYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Pharoah Ashseti 4:16 pm
(4:16:34 PM): Sup mang?
tor3e 4:17 pm
(4:17:13 PM): nada mang
(4:17:13 PM): nada
(4:17:15 PM): kicking it
(4:17:22 PM): at werk
(4:17:23 PM): :/ h
Pharoah Ashseti 4:17 pm
(4:17:26 PM): good to be in good spirits.
tor3e 4:17 pm
(4:17:26 PM): which is kinda hectic
Pharoah Ashseti 4:17 pm
(4:17:41 PM): Yea, I figured. It's why I was gonna send you this.
(4:17:43 PM): http://images.4chan.org/co/src/1284061301130.jpg
tor3e 4:17 pm
(4:17:50 PM): sigh
(4:17:54 PM): really opened myself up for that one
Pharoah Ashseti 4:17 pm
(4:17:56 PM): ...but then thought "He wouldn't open it, it's on the line"
tor3e 4:18 pm
(4:18:05 PM): bravo sir
(4:18:06 PM): bravo
Pharoah Ashseti 4:18 pm
(4:18:13 PM): You didn't let me finish!
(4:18:23 PM): I really don't appreciate the sexualization of children, though.
tor3e 4:18 pm
(4:18:30 PM): yea
(4:18:44 PM): apparently it's considered child pornography now when you show underage cartoons
(4:18:44 PM): :/ h
Pharoah Ashseti 4:19 pm
(4:19:08 PM): That's perfectly fine with me.
(4:19:09 PM): Again.
(4:19:20 PM): Why would you even draw a sexy lisa simpson?
(4:19:23 PM): She's 8.
(4:19:31 PM): IT's kinda fucked up.
(4:19:42 PM): I also think I'm becoming a facist.
tor3e 4:20 pm
(4:20:07 PM): eh?
(4:20:08 PM): how so
(4:20:10 PM): and also
tor3e 4:20 pm
(4:20:14 PM): a very hard to define term
Pharoah Ashseti 4:20 pm
(4:20:29 PM): I know. It's taken me a while to work up the stregnth to say it.
(4:21:18 PM): I mean it in the sense that "You rabble cannot be left to your own devices, you will assuredly not only kill yourselves, but everyone one and everything around you. Someone needs to stand up, and put everything in some sort of sustainable, long term order."
tor3e 4:22 pm
(4:22:24 PM): well
(4:22:25 PM): that's valid
(4:22:28 PM): I mean
(4:22:30 PM): a valid concern
Pharoah Ashseti 4:23 pm
(4:23:06 PM): The counter point being, Personally, I love freedom, and wouldn't be able to stand for state-sanctioned subjugation, no matter how mutually beneficial it actually was.
tor3e 4:23 pm
(4:23:10 PM): however the implementation of said concern is really where the meat and potatoes comes from
(4:23:18 PM): well
(4:23:24 PM): I tend to look at singapore
(4:23:26 PM): as very interesting
Pharoah Ashseti 4:23 pm
(4:23:29 PM): and that's the part I don't love. I mean, selecting who gets to be "That guy".
tor3e 4:23 pm
(4:23:31 PM): it's actually illegal to litter
(4:23:33 PM): or chew gum in public
Pharoah Ashseti 4:23 pm
(4:23:40 PM): I didn't know this.
tor3e 4:23 pm
(4:23:44 PM): and you get lashes for putting up graffiti
(4:23:48 PM): it's a fucking clean ass city state
(4:23:58 PM): (corporal punishment lashes)
Pharoah Ashseti 4:24 pm
(4:24:00 PM): I knew about the canings.
tor3e 4:24 pm
(4:24:02 PM): yea
tor3e 4:26 pm
(4:26:14 PM): I dont really agree with the implementation but the results are really fucking hard to argue with
Pharoah Ashseti 4:26 pm
(4:26:31 PM): Yea, but that's not what I mean.
(4:26:54 PM): As far as I can tell, singamore is still a majoritively homogenous society/cultural center.
(4:27:12 PM): As someone who lives in Amurrikkka, I know that shit wouldn't fly.
(4:27:43 PM): It would not be an overnight transition, and the road from chaos to order would be paved and mortared with bodies and blood.
tor3e 4:27 pm
(4:27:55 PM): actually
(4:27:58 PM): it's a huge melting pot
(4:28:00 PM): of yes
(4:28:06 PM): mostly south east asian cultures
(4:28:12 PM): but
Pharoah Ashseti 4:28 pm
(4:28:21 PM): I apologize, I wasn't going for an all azns are the same vibe.
tor3e 4:28 pm
(4:28:21 PM): still not homogenous
(4:28:27 PM): I understand
(4:28:35 PM): and I also understand how you could assume that tho
(4:28:37 PM): so just clarification
Pharoah Ashseti 4:30 pm
(4:30:04 PM): I was saying that compared to me, a slave descendant, being your close personal friend (you being euro-descendant), and Mike, Jewish (non-practicing as far as I know) in an interacial relationship, and being friends with Lou, a greek....
tor3e 4:30 pm
(4:30:26 PM): right
(4:30:30 PM): so we've got mini UN going on
(4:30:43 PM): but I've also discovered that most of the rest of the grand ole land of Amurika doesn't really follow that
Pharoah Ashseti 4:31 pm
(4:31:23 PM): All with widely varied beliefs and approaches to almost ever aspect of culture, we have a very privaleged vantage of people getting along with one another, although we still clash from time to time.
(4:31:31 PM): Exactly.
tor3e 4:32 pm
(4:32:25 PM): I think the difficulty of everyone else in the world getting along is that it's so difficult for people to just accept one another and move on
Pharoah Ashseti 4:32 pm
(4:32:41 PM): Compared to us, I don't think a conversion into a WE are going to tell you what to hink, how to think, how to do certain things, what not to do, including (kinda) what god to worship and how, what to think of sexuality, and etc etc, isn't going to be a bloodless transition.
tor3e 4:33 pm
(4:33:34 PM): well
(4:33:35 PM): valid
(4:33:47 PM): but our group has never really outcasted anyone based on any of those above reasons
Pharoah Ashseti 4:33 pm
(4:33:51 PM): I was referring to that when I said homogenous.
(4:33:57 PM): Compared to us, their friggin milk.
tor3e 4:34 pm
(4:34:02 PM): true
Pharoah Ashseti 4:43 pm
(4:43:07 PM): they're*
Pharoah Ashseti 4:45 pm
(4:45:52 PM): I was trying to get a lock on population diversity and religious diversity in singapore...
tor3e 4:46 pm
(4:46:08 PM): I think there's actually some pretty serious diverisyt
(4:46:12 PM): on the religious side at the least
(4:46:19 PM): polynesia is apparently half Muslim now
(4:46:22 PM): (had no idea)
Pharoah Ashseti 4:46 pm
(4:46:47 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Singapore
(4:47:12 PM): yea, that's what the tea partiers and other idiots are afraid of.
tor3e 4:47 pm
(4:47:35 PM): they are such a bunch of fuckwads to begin with
(4:47:41 PM): it doesn't even matter if some of them have some damn sense
(4:47:47 PM): they have more than proven that the majority of them have none
Pharoah Ashseti 4:47 pm
(4:47:49 PM): the rest make them look worse
tor3e 4:47 pm
(4:47:55 PM): yup
Pharoah Ashseti 4:48 pm
(4:48:02 PM): This... this article on singapore is making me want to visit.
tor3e 4:48 pm
(4:48:32 PM): it's like the BNP all over here
(4:48:33 PM): ridiculous
Pharoah Ashseti 4:48 pm
(4:48:34 PM): It's pretty much "everyone gets along here, it's awesome"
tor3e 4:48 pm
(4:48:37 PM): yea
(4:48:38 PM): sorta
(4:48:42 PM): the actually implementation...
(4:48:44 PM): little different
(4:48:51 PM): you can get thrown in jail pretty easy
Pharoah Ashseti 4:49 pm
(4:49:08 PM): That's my point, it's state sponsored, state supported, it's a core tenet of their approach, and has been for so long it works.
tor3e 4:49 pm
(4:49:25 PM): I think it's on a small enough scale to make it effective
Pharoah Ashseti 4:50 pm
(4:50:25 PM): Publications and public discussions of religious issues are generally considered out of bounds, and negative or inflammatory portrayals of religion are subject to censorship. However, this is certainly not conclusive as there has recently been a local publication that incessantly attacked Taoism under the pretext of academic research and yet escaped the brunt of fire.
(4:50:49 PM): In 1972 the Singapore government de-registered and banned the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Singapore on the grounds that its members refuse to perform military service (which is obligatory for all male citizens), salute the flag, or swear oaths of allegiance to the state.[7][8] Singapore has banned all written materials (including Bibles) published by the International Bible Students Association and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, both publishing arms of the Jehovah's Witnesses. A person in possession of banned literature can be fined up to S$2,000 (US$1,460) and jailed up to 12 months for a first conviction
(4:50:53 PM): WELCOME TO SINGAPORE!
(4:50:59 PM): WHERE WE DONT FUCK AROUND
tor3e 4:53 pm
(4:53:45 PM): yea
(4:53:46 PM): srsly.
Pharoah Ashseti 4:54 pm
(4:54:56 PM): Wow.
(4:54:57 PM): In 1996, eighteen Jehovah's Witnesses were convicted for unlawfully meeting in a Singapore apartment and were given sentences from one to four weeks in jail.[12] Canadian Queens Counsel Glen How flew to Singapore to defend the Jehovah's Wtinesses and argued that the restrictions against the Jehovah's Witnesses violated their constitutional rights. Then-Chief Justice Yong Pung How questioned How's sanity, accused him of "living in a cartoon world" and referred to "funny, cranky religious groups" before denying the appeal.[9] In 1998, two Jehovah's Witnesses were charged in a Singapore court for possessing and distributing banned religious publications.
(4:55:03 PM): Just... amazing.
(4:55:17 PM): I imagine you step off the plane, and they issue you a book of rules.
(4:55:29 PM): You get no saving throws.
Pharoah Ashseti 4:55 pm
(4:55:59 PM): But this is exactly what I am talking about.
(4:56:12 PM): "Sing the damn national anthem, or lose your job, and go to jail."
tor3e 4:56 pm
(4:56:45 PM): yea
(4:56:48 PM): that's a bit too serious
(4:56:52 PM): I'm not sure
(4:56:59 PM): I've become far too libertarian for shit I think
Pharoah Ashseti 4:57 pm
(4:57:00 PM): This is what concerns me... because honestly, I get it.
(4:57:04 PM): I really, really get it.
tor3e 4:57 pm
(4:57:07 PM): I get it as well
(4:57:09 PM): but at the same time
(4:57:12 PM): all I can think about is police state
(4:57:14 PM): and corruption
(4:57:16 PM): and abuse of power
Pharoah Ashseti 4:57 pm
(4:57:54 PM): more research will need to be done, but I think this constitutes a verbal contract to square away our paperwork, and take a trip to bang random singaporians.
Pharoah Ashseti 4:58 pm
(4:58:06 PM): I mean, take in teh culture.
tor3e 4:58 pm
(4:58:17 PM): hah
(4:58:24 PM): I've looked at jobs over there in the past
Pharoah Ashseti 4:58 pm
(4:58:31 PM): what happened?
(4:59:10 PM): You didn't feel like going, meeting us at the airport, and explaining "Dude, seriously, do not make fun of the president, do not swear in public, spit that gum into a napkin and throw it away, and smile. Goddamnit you better smile..."
tor3e 5:00 pm
(5:00:03 PM): no
(5:00:05 PM): never got contacted
tor3e 5:00 pm
(5:00:13 PM): dude
(5:00:22 PM): an entire fucking country filled with asian girls that speak OKish english?
(5:00:24 PM): seriously?!??!
(5:00:46 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0d8GWRsIqA
(5:01:05 PM): I would fucking MURDER vagina over there
(5:01:19 PM): and knowing my luck they have rules agains breaking vaginas with ones hammer
Pharoah Ashseti 5:18 pm
(5:18:10 PM): I was surprised at that, honestly.
(5:18:17 PM): English is the main language of singapore? insanity.
tor3e 5:18 pm
(5:18:22 PM): not really main
(5:18:24 PM): one of the main
(5:18:30 PM): highly encouraged really
(5:18:33 PM): it's really singlish tho
(5:18:35 PM): (a bit off...)
Pharoah Ashseti 5:19 pm
(5:19:37 PM): got it.
(5:19:48 PM): Tangent: did you watch Heroes?
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