Comments | pfyre: Dude He deserves it. Really????

pfyre

Dude He deserves it. Really????

Jun 03, 2011 10:28

okay - so we've been sharing tidbits on the new Torchwood series over on the LJ comms of course - everyone wants to know more - or most everyone...

if you're a PRO-Gwen supporter go no further - seriously( Read more... )

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spartan_117 June 3 2011, 15:13:10 UTC

I don't honestly think I can watch this. I hate the way Jack is written. Like the Doctor, Jack's not allowed any happiness at all and Gwen appears to just be adding to the already ridiculously overburdened grief/guilt Jack already carries. He's becoming the doormat to Gwen's whims and I utterly hate that.

What the hell is TuRD's problem with his characters being happy?

Gwen always was the centrepiece of TuRD's vision of Torchwood but dammit he's killed what should have been a bloody brilliant and quite probably long lived show if he'd given it a chance.

There are times when I wished he'd never created Torchwood. When I wish I'd never heard of Jack and Ianto and then I watch them, fall in love with Ianto and his loyalty and love for Jack all over again and I hate TuRD all the more for what he did... *breathes*

pfyre June 3 2011, 16:03:53 UTC

I'm going to watch it the way I do so much other television - turning a blind eye to the character I can't stand - in this case Gwen - during at least the first viewing and then of course ranting later in person and online *G*

what bothers me - I'd be willing to bet that RTD would've created a series revolving solely around Gwen/Eve Myles but in all reality the BBC wasn't going for it - JACK was a hit character not Gwyneth *gag*

spartan_117 June 4 2011, 01:38:55 UTC

Apparently he tried to talk the BBC into a show about strong female character like Guinevere but they turned it down and suddenly he comes up with Torchwood instead. Enter Gwen Cooper.

Jack is Torchwood and the reason alot of us watched it at all. It was hard not to fall in love with Jack when we first met him on Doctor Who.

My problem is I can't turn a blind eye to irritating characters and I end up yelling at the tv. Should have seen me watching CoE. I took to watching it with a model of the USS Enterprise (NCC 1701D) in my hand that I'd wave madly at he tv when I saw a plot hole it could have flown through.

marilla_pm67 June 3 2011, 15:26:21 UTC

Damn I completely missed this information: "the man is now older than the Doctor" - and you are so right ( ... )

pfyre June 3 2011, 16:07:05 UTC

Sorry but I don't consider the baby a factor in whether Gwen should survive - Jack's GRANDSON had to die to save Earth - why can't Gwen's child grow up with just one parent - Rhys?

There is NOTHING I like about the character of Gwen Cooper and can't say I care over much for Eve Myles - the bits and pieces I've read or seen in interviews with her do nothing to endear her to me.

Torchwood was created to 'feature' Jack Harkness - not Gwen Cooper but the way RTD continuously gushes about Eve and Gwen you'd think the star of the show was Eve and that HER character should be the one universally loved! *retch*

stlscape June 3 2011, 21:42:31 UTC

There is NOTHING I like about the character of Gwen Cooper

ITA. I *wanted* to like Gwen, but found myself liking her less and less with every scene. Had she been an 18-year old, I could have accepted her behaviour. As a 26+ year old who's been through police training? No way.

and can't say I care over much for Eve Myles - the bits and pieces I've read or seen in interviews with her do nothing to endear her to me.

I didn't know anything about Eve when TW started, but the more I "saw" of her in video and print interviews...well, you said it..."do nothing to endear her to me."

Torchwood was created to 'feature' Jack Harkness - not Gwen Cooper but the way RTD continuously gushes about Eve and Gwen you'd think the star of the show was Eve and that HER character should be the one universally loved! *retch*But as far as RTD is concerned, TW *was* created to star Eve and her character. The only reason Jack is in it at all is because that was the only way RTD could get his Eve show on TV. So while *we* feel TW is supposed to ' ( ... )

pfyre June 3 2011, 21:59:02 UTC

scarily enough it makes complete sense - I think in many ways RTD has been less than respectful to John and his character Jack Harkness since the start - after all John was signed before Chris Eccelston and before Billie Piper and yet when they added Jack to the 'crew' he wasn't in the opening titles - didn't happen until he traveled briefly with the 10th Doctor and that is just plain wrong

sigh

there are many things I liked about RTD's ideas but his obsession with Eve Myles makes me want to retch....

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stargazer60 June 3 2011, 16:06:39 UTC

My only thing with Gwen is...how can she be the *heart* of an organization that had been around for well over 100 years before she joined it...and she *immediately* becomes the heart of it all? She hasn't been in TW long enough to be the heart of the entire organization.

pfyre June 3 2011, 16:08:28 UTC

Hell - how can she be the 'heart' of it when she has no 'real' compassion. Oh sure, she spouts the rhetoric when it sounds good but in reality it is all about HER and HER NEEDS and be damned about anyone else including Jack, Rhys or even the rest of the world. grrrrrr

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pfyre June 3 2011, 16:40:24 UTC

the thing is if RTD wants Gwen to be the heart of Torchwood [and that ship has well and truly sailed beyond reach at this point] he should have written her AS THE HEART OF TORCHWOOD. The character came across as self-centered, self-entitled, whiny, selfish and just plain annoying as hell. How could RTD think that made her the Heart of Torchwood???

stlscape June 3 2011, 22:01:19 UTC

then someone commented that 'Dude. He deserves it.'

Clearly that someone has never, ever, had to deal with any traumatic situation OR had to make a difficult choice at any time in their life.

I feel so sorry for Jack - he's paid again, and again, and again for so much that wasn't even his to deal with, and gotten so little happiness in return. (Okay, the giving the 12 kids to the aliens wasn't a wonderful thing to do from one perspective, but from a handing thos kids over to save the rest of the world perspective, yeah, it beat the alternative. And if Jack had refused, he'd have paid for it and the kids would still have been given to the 456, handed over by someone else.)

so where exactly does Gwen come off with the right to be angry and where does the idea come from that Jack 'deserves' her ire? she's not lost her lover/husband or her child - she's never truly had to face any real consequences for her actions and decisions - and I don't count the reports that Gwen and family are living 'in hiding' at the start of Miracle Day - ( ... )