One thing I've been wanting to know - when was it that personal responsibility died? On every news channel, in every city, everywhere, all you hear is "it's not my fault
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The victim's family has nothing to do with it. I read interviews with the vic's mother, and she has no kind of understanding of what this level of mental defect means. Why should someone with no understanding of the issues have any real say?
It's terrible for the family, but we have a justice system where the perp is sentenced by a jury or judge, not by the victim's family. If that wasn't so, we'd never have gotten rid of the death penalty, and we might as well do away with any consideration of mental disease or age or intent. After all, what comfort is it to a family that their loved one was accidentally killed by a systematically abused 10 year old in a dissociated state after a rape, trying to shoot her attacker? Loved one's still dead, throw the bitch into jail for life? No, we take all these issues under consideration, in the interest of justice itself. Sometimes justice is less than cuddly to all.
The sentence in this guy's case fits. He's clearly insane, what point is there to send him to a "real" prison just to make the family feel better? He's still incarcerated, and he might well end up incarcerated far longer than he would under a standard "life" sentence in Canada.
I disagree. If a person is so unbalanced that a lack of regular prescription medication will cause them to kill an innocent person in cold blood in the most despicable, horrifying way possible, they should be locked up forever. I personally wouldn't be prepared to allow someone like that to walk free knowing that a single pill separates them from brutal murder.
At the end of the day, the person's still dead, and the person should still be in jail for a very, very, very long time.
He's clearly insane, what point is there to send him to a "real" prison just to make the family feel better?
Because the family is the one that lost something. Their son is still dead because of the actions this guy took, and he should pay for them. Again, everyone is trying to find a reason to excuse a cold-blooded and brutal murder. If this guy woke up one day, had a complete break from reality and went on a murderous rampage, he should be locked up in a mental institution for life. If he had a previous diagnosis and just went off his meds, then he should be locked up in a mental institution for life. He's insane, he's dangerous, and I don't see any reason why he should be allowed to ever walk free again.
Because once he's not insane (probably through meds) he won't be dangerous. According to what I'd read when I followed the case, the guy was never in any trouble before. He's not some kind of antisocial troublemaker, he's sick.
"In cold blood" usually has a connotation of the perp knowing what the fuck they're doing. This guy? Not so much.
There are excuses, and there are bona fide reasons for doing something. This verdict is the latter. And get fucking real, if he were send away for "life" under a non-medical verdict he'd be on the street in 25 years at the latest, with no supervision and no one to force him to take any drugs. And crazier than ever.
And get fucking real, if he were send away for "life" under a non-medical verdict he'd be on the street in 25 years at the latest, with no supervision and no one to force him to take any drugs
Also part of my problem with Canadian Justice. Why is it that life ≠ life? There's something really wrong with that.
What you wrote after, "BUT...it just isn't right that innocent people get screwed over", is what made me write the reply. Since we were not arguing about him going away (at least I wasn't, I fully support locking him up in psych until he can be safely released, if ever), I took it to mean that you disagreed with the "punishment" in this case, specifically that you felt the handling of this guy as a psych "not guilty" case was screwing over the family.
Unless you meant that it just isn't faaaaair that innocent people get hurt, ever, period. Which is the truth. Also...kinda a dumbly naive and rhetorical statement to make.
It's terrible for the family, but we have a justice system where the perp is sentenced by a jury or judge, not by the victim's family. If that wasn't so, we'd never have gotten rid of the death penalty, and we might as well do away with any consideration of mental disease or age or intent. After all, what comfort is it to a family that their loved one was accidentally killed by a systematically abused 10 year old in a dissociated state after a rape, trying to shoot her attacker? Loved one's still dead, throw the bitch into jail for life?
No, we take all these issues under consideration, in the interest of justice itself. Sometimes justice is less than cuddly to all.
The sentence in this guy's case fits. He's clearly insane, what point is there to send him to a "real" prison just to make the family feel better? He's still incarcerated, and he might well end up incarcerated far longer than he would under a standard "life" sentence in Canada.
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At the end of the day, the person's still dead, and the person should still be in jail for a very, very, very long time.
He's clearly insane, what point is there to send him to a "real" prison just to make the family feel better?
Because the family is the one that lost something. Their son is still dead because of the actions this guy took, and he should pay for them. Again, everyone is trying to find a reason to excuse a cold-blooded and brutal murder. If this guy woke up one day, had a complete break from reality and went on a murderous rampage, he should be locked up in a mental institution for life. If he had a previous diagnosis and just went off his meds, then he should be locked up in a mental institution for life. He's insane, he's dangerous, and I don't see any reason why he should be allowed to ever walk free again.
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"In cold blood" usually has a connotation of the perp knowing what the fuck they're doing. This guy? Not so much.
There are excuses, and there are bona fide reasons for doing something. This verdict is the latter. And get fucking real, if he were send away for "life" under a non-medical verdict he'd be on the street in 25 years at the latest, with no supervision and no one to force him to take any drugs. And crazier than ever.
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Also part of my problem with Canadian Justice. Why is it that life ≠ life? There's something really wrong with that.
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What you wrote after, "BUT...it just isn't right that innocent people get screwed over", is what made me write the reply. Since we were not arguing about him going away (at least I wasn't, I fully support locking him up in psych until he can be safely released, if ever), I took it to mean that you disagreed with the "punishment" in this case, specifically that you felt the handling of this guy as a psych "not guilty" case was screwing over the family.
Unless you meant that it just isn't faaaaair that innocent people get hurt, ever, period. Which is the truth. Also...kinda a dumbly naive and rhetorical statement to make.
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