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polymale June 30 2010, 17:50:30 UTC
I agree.

Fishing makes me uncomfortable, because the fish are certainly suffering in the process, and may very well die from stress after being thrown back.

Hunting for survival I'm ok with. Hunting to feed one's family, I'm ok with. I don't like it, but I understand it, and what's right for me isn't necessarily right for someone else.

I think I understand the hunting mentality (even though I've never hunted), and so I understand the "thrill of the hunt" and all that, but I don't want to be a part of it.

I think people should really be more aware of what meat is, and what happens to get it to your plate. If one is willing to accept and understand that killing happens to feed yourself that way, I'm not exactly content but feel that in some measure, balance has been served.

Probably one should, at least sometimes, be required to kill the meat you eat. It would certainly be fitting. And confronted with that fact (not literally, but through introspection) I found that I cannot, except where my own health and survival would be at stake, hence my diet change towards veganism.

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mpnolan June 30 2010, 18:55:19 UTC
How about the hunting to control deep overpopulation issue? Is there an alternative?

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petrosoap June 30 2010, 19:10:41 UTC
again with the 'call me a hippy' thing, but i have a lot of faith in nature. i believe nature will balance itself in due course if left alone. grass grows through the cracks on sidewalks.. the overpopulation of deer is probably due to human interference at some level.

hohum. i don't think it's necessary to migrate the heards or reintroduce predators or anything like that. nature was fine before we came along. in a lot of ways, the earth can care for itself.

not to say that i'm up for polluting the planet as part of natural human development - at the same time, i think it's important we maintain our environments.. 'but let's control deer to maintain!' oh i don't know. like how much pollution is put into the air just building these guns?

just a big cycle full of rebuttals..

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polymale June 30 2010, 20:44:02 UTC
There's homeostasis in ecosystems, up to a point. Deer population is large because we've killed off their natural predators, and the replacement (us) don't kill them in the same numbers.

There's no perfect solution. Ignoring them (letting the excess starve to death) is the cheapest solution, so that's usually what happens.

Adding to the equation is that being killed by a wolf, while probably better than starving, is still a pretty nasty way to go. Which is a reminder that nature can be nasty, vicious and cruel, as well as beautiful, all at the same time.

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polymale June 30 2010, 20:39:44 UTC
There is something to be said for that.

On the other hand, when wildlife is managed as a resource, we tend to do really badly. While less deer would starve, deer could end up endangered or extinct instead.

Ideally, a better solution would be to shoot them with birth control, so less deer would be born, and thus the deer population wouldn't expand too high for the food supply. But of course, that would be more expensive than using bullets, so it's not likely to happen on any kind of mass scale.

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petrosoap July 1 2010, 04:58:26 UTC
shoot them with birth control

hehehehehhehehee X) ahahaha i like it!!!

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polymale July 1 2010, 15:32:51 UTC
*grin*... it has been done.

Wish one could do that with some people, eh! ;)

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