chicken tastes good

[petercastro]

George Orwell once said that the worst advertisement for Socialism was your average Socialist, and he was one himself. I find this to be very true and, like Orwell, I am also a Socialist, of course. I have seldom seen eye to eye or even gotten along with other Socialists (the last one was from Peru, but Latin American Socialists are a bit different

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[polsvoice]

OK, no worries if this wasn't addressed at me. I know people can be dogmatic and militant. I won't speak for my friend, but I really wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. There might be other examples you have in mind, but I'll at least clear up the one you complained about, just so you're not mad at me or something:

I said, "Don't kid yourself that everything would go to shit if we didn't eat steak at every meal," which I meant as just a form of expression.
You said, "I don't think we should eat steak at every meal either (I don't even eat steak, by the way), but I thought I made that clear previously. You are your friend in the other comment seem to like to either put words in my mouth or try to twist what I am saying to fit your agendas."
So yeah, the "steak at every meal" thing was just an expression meant to add levity, sorry if that wasn't clear. Anyone who did endorse that would be dead of a heart attack. :) I know, of course, that you think we need to cut back on our meat intake, and not consume so much in this society in general.

By the way, as for B12, let's be clear - it's only a problem for vegans. I won't address the moral quandaries of drinking milk, because I don't have a problem with it. All other minerals and nutrients can be received quite nicely with a vegetarian diet.

[petercastro]

OK, glad that is cleared up :> Sorry that I did not understand that you were just using an expression. Stupid English language.

As far as B12, vegans don't get ANY unless they take a pill or eat fortified food. Some vegetarians have a deficiency of it in their system, some do not. I'd imagine it depends on how much animal products they take into their system and what not.

I think vegetarianism can be an extremely healthy lifestyle...for some people. I think modern science tends to see each and every person as having the same body with the same needs, and I don't think that is true at all. For instance, old friend Caleb and Alison were vegan. Caleb did just fine, Allison did not at all. She was tired and weak all of the time, and the only way she ended that was by starting to take in animal products in her diet. They ate virtually the same things.

Now, I don't eat a lot of beef or pork, so this is probably just shit, but I've never had a problem with cholesterol and I've known people who can (metaphorically)eat a slice of bacon and see their cholesterol rate shoot through the roof. So that's another example.

But anyhoo, for me, it's not just the overconsumption, but how we go about consuming everything, food being the subject this time. I want to see a return to mixed farms, as I've said, and I think that's extremely important, for our health and the health of the world (some scientists think that the mass corporate farming is playing a not insignificant role in "global warming", by the way). Being vegetarian in the face of that is extremely honorable, but I fear many of the dogmatic bunch want to convert, and not change the way the system is ran. Seems like a missed opportunity to me, but I have to wonder if this is on purpose because of the fear that ending the corporate farming of animals would give people one less reason to be vegetarian. Of course, that's just stupid, really, and reminds me of how Marxists will often oppose Social Democratic reforms which do help the poor out immensely simply because it's not the full on Socialism they want.