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visiblemarket August 12 2011, 23:34:49 UTC
Nnnnng! (that's the sound you make when you feel all the feelings)

I thought that was the sound which described the cut of Adrian Pasdar's suits ;)

Wow, Peter really does put a lot of power into shoving Claude away. Kind of more than I expect him to have before getting super-strength. Not quite sure what to make of that...

For some reason I always thought that Peter punched him in that scene, but he totally just shoves him down there. And honestly, given how solid Claude tends to be, I'm kind of surprised Peter manages it, except that I guess they've kind of been scuffling and Claude is a bit unbalanced? I like it, though. It's fun watching him be fiesty. Claude being handsy and dragging Peter around is just Claude and it's expected, but when Peter gets pissed enough to get physical it's, um, interesting.

I didn't realize it's Peter who pulls Claude's shirt and coat down

It's actually kind of both of them; Claude starts to, and then Peter helps, because he needs to to get a proper look. I love the look on Peter's face when he does, though. There's a level of concern for Claude there that I appreciate, beyond the shipper stuff, because it's Peter being all S1 kind-hearted and empathetic.

I suppose I was rather distracted by the quite frankly gorgeous curve of CE's shoulder.

Well there is that too.

If there are any more .gifs on the way, could I request some where they get about two-ish inches away from each other's faces? Like when they first met?

Mm, I'll see what I can do. I keep wanting to do the scene when Peter first follows him to the rooftop and Claude just hauls him up close there and Peter's all red-lipped and pretty.

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lotus0kid August 13 2011, 00:06:41 UTC
No, that would be Nnneeerrrrrnn! The difference is subtle, I don't blame you for missing it.

Yeah, I mostly put it down to Claude being off-balance and both of them being confused and scared and upset. *sigh* So many better ways it could have gone if Heroes was on Showtime.

I'm doing my re-watch, so I'll have to look out for that. Shame those are the only scars of Claude's we got to see (physical, anyway).

Always.

That one's definitely among the two-inchers.

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visiblemarket August 13 2011, 00:49:43 UTC
Still, I suppose I should have known. I mean Adrian's tailoring is quite affecting, but perhaps not so much as Claude being all lovesick and sad.

Plus Claude had just gotten tasered so he probably wasn't at his best coming off of that. I still enjoy picturing the h/c scenario that would have ensued after Claude woke up, if the world were in any way fair. I like to think Peter also enjoyed picturing that, once he was less angry at Claude leaving him.

Also look out for the way the wall shakes at the door slamming. I got such a laugh at that, in the middle of the pain. You know, I copied the Bridge of Sorrow scene, and realized that, once again, I had been picturing the scar situation all wrong. Possibly because I'm sappy enough to want them closer to the middle of his chest, for thematic proximity to his heart, etc.

CE's neck/shoulder porn skills are well documented, although I have to admit the ratty t-shirt he wears as Claude kind of detracts from that for me. At times anyway.

Indeed it is.

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lotus0kid August 13 2011, 01:04:29 UTC
No, a nice suit is definitely not enough to distract me from sorrowful/hopeful manpain.

Yes, the tasering had to have an effect. Awww, I'll bet Peter did fantasy about all the ways he could have made Claude feel All Better, if he'd only stuck around.

Dang, kinda missed it, and what I assume was the glimmer of Nurse Petrelli. Guess I'll have to check it out again. *snort* It's the same for me. The way I described them in Off the Reservation was waaaaaay off.

We-ell, you barely see the ratty shirt what with all the flesh on display.

Mmhmm. ^^

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visiblemarket August 13 2011, 01:13:50 UTC
LOL, manpain.

It must have given him something nice to think about while locked up at Primatech. Or something nice to angst about, either way.

Pfft, the sacrifice of having to watch again. But it does go by quick and may or may not be entirely my imagination/slash goggles, so. I feel like we should get one of those diagrams they use on crime shows, to show where the victim was wounded, because otherwise I'll never remember.

*laughs* Well, maybe you don't but...

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lotus0kid August 13 2011, 01:19:41 UTC
Ye-eah, Claude's got some manpain issues. I mean, he's more deserving of manpain than most, but...

It's fun in a hurt-y sort of way to imagine how many bad things might not have happened if Claude hadn't run.

I will try again at a later date not to let CE flesh distract me. Well, I've just finished up "Company Man" and I've personally settled on one bullet to the far right pectoral muscle, and one high up on the left trapezius.

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visiblemarket August 13 2011, 01:27:37 UTC
Well in fairness to Claude, and the Heroes writers, loathe as I am to give it, I think we make a bigger deal of Claude's manpain than any of them do. Unlike Sylar's (or Nathan's, or Noah's) manpain, which was explored in depth.

You could counter that by thinking of what bad things would have happened if he had stayed, but that's just sad too.

Really, it's not hard to get a glimpse at CE flesh, the man is not shy about that. I think that's plausible. They're definitely further apart than I thought/would like.

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lotus0kid August 13 2011, 01:38:57 UTC
Well, I feel like you could say Claude living as an invisible hermit for seven years is a fairly good example of manpain indulgence, but he definitely has a solid reason for it in avoiding the Company's attention.

Hm. Umm... Well... Nope, can't think of any. Sorry.

Doesn't make it any less distracting when it shows up. I like that their positioning makes his survival at least something like possible, though I'm still pretty baffled by it.

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visiblemarket August 13 2011, 01:51:08 UTC
I don't feel like he was wandering around going "woe is me, I feel pain like no one else has before" about things, though. From what we saw of him, he was just kind of hanging out and stealing stuff for kicks. He only really gets angsty after spending time with Peter because he's his true love because he's afraid of losing that connection after having gone so long without because he's scared of the Company.

Well he could have gotten captured by the Company, or he and Peter could have gone on the run and the city would have blown up and both of them would spend the rest of their lives feeling guilty, plus all of the horrible futures were always a real possibility. You just never know.

I have much less of a problem handwaving the gunshot wounds (even if they had been closer to his heart) than I do the fall from that height.

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lotus0kid August 13 2011, 01:59:43 UTC
I think there was some "woe is me"-ing, which slowly transmuted into the People Suck Theory of Life. But again, I wouldn't say he hasn't earned it, and also what else is he going to do with his time when he gets tired of stealing shit? But OTOH, Peter probably does bring out the angst in people. Consequence of being an emo puppy dog.

Well yeah, but I don't think that stuff would have happened. Because.. stuff.

I definitely don't think he actually fell off the bridge. I can only believe he managed to cling invisibly to a spot until Noah left.

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visiblemarket August 13 2011, 02:08:31 UTC
Huh, I always just figured the People Suck Theory of Life was always there (if a little less broad, like Most People Suck Except For My BFF Noah And His Pretty Wife Sandra), it just kind of...was cemented by the big betrayal. Peter is just full of feelings, and when he goes around feeling things at people they probably can't stay immune.

Of course, true love would make everything sunshine and puppies, as it did with all Heroes relationships.

I think he went over, if only because he's about halfway over when he fades out, and Noah fires another shot that, if it hit him, would definitely have been enough momentum to get him there. But it's not like there's a right answer here, so both are pretty about as likely and about as plausible.

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lotus0kid August 13 2011, 02:19:51 UTC
Ye-eah, you're probably right, but there's just something about his delivery when he's describing it to Peter ("People suck, friend, every last one of them.") that just sounds like there's a specific pain driving it.

Oh burn. :(

See, A) I cannot see a way for him to survive that fall, and B) I really don't think he was hit more than twice, just from the way each gunshot is filmed. Though, y'know, I wish we'd seen what happened after Noah stopped firing. Because I find it hard to believe he would just say "Okay, he's dead" if he never saw Claude's body. I have to assume that he had a kind of freak-out moment and ran to try to escape what he'd done.

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visiblemarket August 13 2011, 02:38:27 UTC
There's definitely the specific pain there, but I guess it's a question of whether he's in hiding because he's given up on humanity (more manpain-y), or if he's in hiding because he thinks that's what he needs to do to survive (more pragmatic). And I think it's at least somewhat obvious that he hasn't given up on humanity (he's very "us vs. them" with Peter, wants to save New York, etc.) entirely, although there probably is an element of that.

Which is why they're much better off getting together post-canon, when the writers can't jerk us and them around any more. See, silver lining!

Well, we do see Noah rush over to the edge of the bridge and look down, which makes me think he's pretty sure Claude went over and into the river. Which probably would have made the body very difficult to find, plus he was hopefully freaking out somewhat about having shot his best friend. I mean we're pretty sure there's no way Claude could have survived the shooting + the fall, so I'll cut Noah some slack for thinking the same.

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lotus0kid August 13 2011, 02:43:00 UTC
I'd say the speed and severity that the Company came down on Claude once they found him indicates that he was right to keep such a low profile, though they were also motivated to get Peter.

Indeed. These days I vastly prefer to imagine their adventures as New Company Agents.

Ah, true, forgot that. Okay, I can buy Noah genuinely thinking Claude was dead from bullets+fall, plus his personal freak-out.

I think I'm actually going to go to bed. And you should sleep too, missy! You're sick!

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visiblemarket August 13 2011, 02:52:04 UTC
You know, I don't know if they would have had any interest in Claude had he not been involved with Peter. Noah knows he's around and all, but I don't think he reports it to the Company or anything. Maybe if it had been someone else that was in charge of collecting Peter, but...

That's valid. But I do so love paramedic!Peter, too.

But I've been asleep all day! I actually did just take my dose of Advil, so once that kicks in I think I'll try and sleep.

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lotus0kid August 13 2011, 13:41:22 UTC
I'm pretty sure they'd see Claude as a security risk, and besides that, him being the only invisible person they knew of would make him a nice treat for Research Division. But you're right, I'm not sure Noah actually told anyone about Claude besides the Haitian.

Paramedic!Peter is lovely, but I just can't see him not getting involved if the Company started up again.

P.S. I'm downloading Shallow Grave and I'm about to download Strumpet. I'm a little scared to actually watch them.

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