AnorexicPillow2: there always seems to be about 3-4 big lj fights per summerpeter__vespaJuly 17 2006, 05:57:45 UTC
This is long but if you don’t read both sides of this, just like in the real world, you wont understand the whole situation and you will be making a bias decision on what you believe is right.
Nate,
You read my side of the story, counter the points to my side of the story, then refuse to respond to what I have to say to you. That is arrogance. “I know I'm right, and I don't have to convince you.” You learn skills at our age that you use on shit that actually matters when you are older. Assuming you know everything may get you through high school but could lead to problems later.
Pete Edson doesn’t know who I am. He thinks I am “scum” because of what he hears from Alex (and most likely others). I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume the information they feed Sam and Pete is a bit bias. I’d love to talk to either Peter or Sam about this so maybe they can know more of what’s going on rather than looking at one side of the argument, which in my opinion is ignorant. I’ve gotten along with both of them until this point. Although Alex is a friend when he is caught up in a situation he tends to bend a story towards making himself look right, which is human nature.
I can’t imagine why I would want drama. It doesn’t seem to benefit anyone in any way. If you’d like to make a suggestion of how to get out of this I’m all ears. However, making a suggestion for me to not talk to Leanne, in my opinion, is not fair to any of us. I don’t want to do that, and I have tried in the past to do that. This only led to Leanne getting upset and Alex punching me in the head for making her upset. (Kind of ironic)
I believe it was completely justified to use Richard as defense against Alex. I think most of us understand Alex’s temper at this point and when he threatens to hit me, right after hitting me I have to take what he says seriously. I will use Richard to break up my fights. I will use my dad to kick him off of my lawn. I will use the police to ensure that he cannot use physical force again without criminal charges.
Please make sense of the following two points:
“here's a quick pro-tip for you, if you mock, slander, harass, or make-fun-of people it WILL come back to bite you.”
“…seeing as how I don't really give a fuck about your deformed roommates and the apparently ugly girls who attend your future school.”
(Mocking what I write about is mocking. I guess there is a point of genius where you don’t need to follow your own advice. Or perhaps I’m just being cute.)
I’m open for debate. Not because I enjoy drama, but because I feel a lot of this anger towards the situation is unjustified. If you have anything to say I’m willing to listen.
I’ve learned a lot about people from all of this shit and I plan to carry it with me. Regardless of what happens now in two months I have the power to stop everything. If moving to a different state is not avoiding the drama then I don’t know what is. (My decision wasn’t based on that so don’t bother mocking my choice.)
Re: AnorexicPillow2: there always seems to be about 3-4 big lj fights per summerpeter__vespaJuly 17 2006, 21:56:18 UTC
"I believe it was completely justified to use Richard as defense against Alex. I think most of us understand Alex’s temper at this point and when he threatens to hit me, right after hitting me I have to take what he says seriously. I will use Richard to break up my fights. I will use my dad to kick him off of my lawn. I will use the police to ensure that he cannot use physical force again without criminal charges."
No. Just no. Of course you believe you were justified, you did it. Most of us understand his temper, yeah, and now most of us understand the ridiculous, pathetic and insane extremes you are willing to go to. Turning Richard against Alex is barely "defense", you dragged a good friend of yours into a fight that wasn't his against a person he had no issue with. That is being a terrible friend if you ask me.
Fight your own battles, learn to stick up for yourself without hiding behind people. People will respect you more, the way you're doing this is nothing more than pathetic. You got yourself into this, you knew Alex thought he would end up fighting you and even after the fight you immediately called ME, to do nothing more than tell me about it.
Also, I've heard from more than one person you actually said to Alex "meet my dad, I want you to meet my dad". Which is ridiculous and insane if you actually did. Also, you had no cause to go to the police and if you think you did then you need to wake up. Yeah, you might get hit in the head. You might get hurt. Oh no. God forbid you throw yourself into a horrible situation and suffer the consequences. Really. Jesus fuck, the fact that you shelter YOURSELF to this extreme is bizarre.
As for the two points you want to to make sense of, they already do make sense. If you couldn't tell, most of what I wrote was mocking you. I knew what I was doing, and I'm prepared to take the consequences or find a way to alter them myself. The reason I called it a 'pro'-tip was a joke, I was calling myself a professional at mocking, slandering and making fun of people. I'm fully aware the way I act and what I say will result in me getting on people's bad side. I've probably had infinitely more people threaten to hit me more than you. But you know what the difference between you and me is? I've never been hit. You want to know how many people I've called to my "defense"? None. Like I said, either be kind to everyone 24/7, and lock yourself inside at night or learn to fight for yourself. It doesn't have to be physically, but learn to do it.
I've gone off on a tangent, really it was just an extremely simple joke that didn't take much to get. I'm sorry it was so difficult for you (NOTE: THIS IS MOCKING YOU).
"I’ve learned a lot about people from all of this shit and I plan to carry it with me. Regardless of what happens now in two months I have the power to stop everything. If moving to a different state is not avoiding the drama then I don’t know what is. (My decision wasn’t based on that so don’t bother mocking my choice.)"
Really, I agree that moving to where ever the hell you're going is probably a good choice. This place sucks anyway.
peace love and happiness fuckerspeter__vespaJuly 18 2006, 03:30:10 UTC
dude, you suck. get your head out of your ass, nate. this has nothing to do with you or anyone else. you think so highly of yourself it makes me want to throw up. and the best part is YOU DONT KNOW THE HALF!!! stop being an asshole and mind your beeswax.
Re: peace love and happiness fuckerspeter__vespaJuly 18 2006, 05:24:04 UTC
Not as a defender of Nate, not as a defender of Peter, but beeswax? come on man, what was that? and caps although you may think they make you appear to bigger when you don't even put youre name on a comment it makes you look like a retarded loser who can only fight with big letters. Why is everyone fighting? Any chance people see a sitaution not perfect you all take it as a chanceto fight, admit youre all dumbasses for making a simple, I like you but you like someone else situation into a teen movie, and not the funny ones and move on.
-1 AM Corey; I'm letting the (real life) sitaution play out because I realize LJ comments never really affect the actual situation, no one says "oh well Nate told me in LJ that I should change my ways." or Corey said "something I don't remeber what but he said something." I just want people to stop picking fights on LJ, although entertaining, they are more retarded than the phrase "mind your own beeswax."
El1 Rey3: its livejournal fights are what made me give it uppeter__vespaJuly 18 2006, 05:54:46 UTC
This is organized real bad. But I’m losing interest because Alex claims to not even like Leanne anymore. But then again he’s pretty retarded and probably using Megan again. Regardless we are better than putting any effort into an online argument. Well, I guess we’re not. But I’d like to be.
What it comes down to, Nate, is no matter how many people you talk to, all of the information you get comes from me Leanne and Alex. All of which cannot be as true as having seen first hand how everything has happened. Any story can be phrased differently from how it actually happened. So most stories probably were. That doesn’t mean Pete and Sam have to talk to me to hear my side. But it does mean that it is wrong of them to make a judgment of me based off of “facts” which can also be twisted. But at this point it really doesn’t matter. If they don’t like me, good for them. If we’re not friends now I can’t imagine how different the next two months could be if they weren’t judging me.
“…obsessing over a girl to the point of admitting trying to destroy her relationship and not giving up even when threatened with physical violence.”
This is obsessing over a girl? Keeping a relationship with someone I care about who cares about me even though she had another boy she was fond of? Telling them that there was no reason for me to respect their relationship when I saw that Alex was abusive? That he has admittedly committed a form of rape? That he has destroyed her things? That he has threatened to get rid of shit that reminds him of her over the phone when he was angry? That he admittedly used Megan to make Leanne jealous? That he calls Linda to tell her shit about Leanne that Leanne doesn’t want her to know when it had nothing to do with him being concerned? I talked with Alex in one of our most civil conversations about how I would not help myself from being just friends with Leanne because I though of her as more than that. Then I smoked weed with him. And why would I give up because he threatens to hit me when I can use the law to protect me from physical violence? And don’t tell me it’s because anarchy can work without police. If hitting someone is a justified way of getting what you want then who’s to say we cant carry guns and kill anyone in our way?
“I've heard from more than one person you actually said to Alex "meet my dad, I want you to meet my dad".”
I told him I wanted him to meet my dad so that he would leave. He met my dad. And he left.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but moving to Rhode Island is moving on with my life. In fact it’s a bigger step towards my future than anything you have ever done. Caring about someone and not being willing to let go because the feelings are mutual is not obsessing. No matter how you want to phrase it.
You haven’t gotten hit because you only argue with people. I’m in some complex fucked up love triangle of which a person with anger problems is involved. Then again you have been hit with I think like 23 water balloons.
Stop sticking up for your friends. Doesn’t having a friend stand up for them make them shitty people? I don’t believe so but you seem to. Or was your remark about me using other people to help me bullshit?
Richard has told me in the past that if Alex touched me at all he would be there to help. And he was there to help. And when he came to help Alex threatened to kick his ass. (Then told me he doesn’t have anger problems)
Nate,
You read my side of the story, counter the points to my side of the story, then refuse to respond to what I have to say to you. That is arrogance. “I know I'm right, and I don't have to convince you.” You learn skills at our age that you use on shit that actually matters when you are older. Assuming you know everything may get you through high school but could lead to problems later.
Pete Edson doesn’t know who I am. He thinks I am “scum” because of what he hears from Alex (and most likely others). I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume the information they feed Sam and Pete is a bit bias. I’d love to talk to either Peter or Sam about this so maybe they can know more of what’s going on rather than looking at one side of the argument, which in my opinion is ignorant. I’ve gotten along with both of them until this point. Although Alex is a friend when he is caught up in a situation he tends to bend a story towards making himself look right, which is human nature.
I can’t imagine why I would want drama. It doesn’t seem to benefit anyone in any way. If you’d like to make a suggestion of how to get out of this I’m all ears. However, making a suggestion for me to not talk to Leanne, in my opinion, is not fair to any of us. I don’t want to do that, and I have tried in the past to do that. This only led to Leanne getting upset and Alex punching me in the head for making her upset. (Kind of ironic)
I believe it was completely justified to use Richard as defense against Alex. I think most of us understand Alex’s temper at this point and when he threatens to hit me, right after hitting me I have to take what he says seriously. I will use Richard to break up my fights. I will use my dad to kick him off of my lawn. I will use the police to ensure that he cannot use physical force again without criminal charges.
Please make sense of the following two points:
“here's a quick pro-tip for you, if you mock, slander, harass, or make-fun-of people it WILL come back to bite you.”
“…seeing as how I don't really give a fuck about your deformed roommates and the apparently ugly girls who attend your future school.”
(Mocking what I write about is mocking. I guess there is a point of genius where you don’t need to follow your own advice. Or perhaps I’m just being cute.)
I’m open for debate. Not because I enjoy drama, but because I feel a lot of this anger towards the situation is unjustified. If you have anything to say I’m willing to listen.
I’ve learned a lot about people from all of this shit and I plan to carry it with me. Regardless of what happens now in two months I have the power to stop everything. If moving to a different state is not avoiding the drama then I don’t know what is. (My decision wasn’t based on that so don’t bother mocking my choice.)
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No. Just no. Of course you believe you were justified, you did it. Most of us understand his temper, yeah, and now most of us understand the ridiculous, pathetic and insane extremes you are willing to go to. Turning Richard against Alex is barely "defense", you dragged a good friend of yours into a fight that wasn't his against a person he had no issue with. That is being a terrible friend if you ask me.
Fight your own battles, learn to stick up for yourself without hiding behind people. People will respect you more, the way you're doing this is nothing more than pathetic. You got yourself into this, you knew Alex thought he would end up fighting you and even after the fight you immediately called ME, to do nothing more than tell me about it.
Also, I've heard from more than one person you actually said to Alex "meet my dad, I want you to meet my dad". Which is ridiculous and insane if you actually did. Also, you had no cause to go to the police and if you think you did then you need to wake up. Yeah, you might get hit in the head. You might get hurt. Oh no. God forbid you throw yourself into a horrible situation and suffer the consequences. Really. Jesus fuck, the fact that you shelter YOURSELF to this extreme is bizarre.
As for the two points you want to to make sense of, they already do make sense. If you couldn't tell, most of what I wrote was mocking you. I knew what I was doing, and I'm prepared to take the consequences or find a way to alter them myself. The reason I called it a 'pro'-tip was a joke, I was calling myself a professional at mocking, slandering and making fun of people. I'm fully aware the way I act and what I say will result in me getting on people's bad side. I've probably had infinitely more people threaten to hit me more than you. But you know what the difference between you and me is? I've never been hit. You want to know how many people I've called to my "defense"? None. Like I said, either be kind to everyone 24/7, and lock yourself inside at night or learn to fight for yourself. It doesn't have to be physically, but learn to do it.
I've gone off on a tangent, really it was just an extremely simple joke that didn't take much to get. I'm sorry it was so difficult for you (NOTE: THIS IS MOCKING YOU).
"I’ve learned a lot about people from all of this shit and I plan to carry it with me. Regardless of what happens now in two months I have the power to stop everything. If moving to a different state is not avoiding the drama then I don’t know what is. (My decision wasn’t based on that so don’t bother mocking my choice.)"
Really, I agree that moving to where ever the hell you're going is probably a good choice. This place sucks anyway.
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-1 AM Corey; I'm letting the (real life) sitaution play out because I realize LJ comments never really affect the actual situation, no one says "oh well Nate told me in LJ that I should change my ways." or Corey said "something I don't remeber what but he said something." I just want people to stop picking fights on LJ, although entertaining, they are more retarded than the phrase "mind your own beeswax."
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What it comes down to, Nate, is no matter how many people you talk to, all of the information you get comes from me Leanne and Alex. All of which cannot be as true as having seen first hand how everything has happened. Any story can be phrased differently from how it actually happened. So most stories probably were. That doesn’t mean Pete and Sam have to talk to me to hear my side. But it does mean that it is wrong of them to make a judgment of me based off of “facts” which can also be twisted. But at this point it really doesn’t matter. If they don’t like me, good for them. If we’re not friends now I can’t imagine how different the next two months could be if they weren’t judging me.
“…obsessing over a girl to the point of admitting trying to destroy her relationship and not giving up even when threatened with physical violence.”
This is obsessing over a girl? Keeping a relationship with someone I care about who cares about me even though she had another boy she was fond of? Telling them that there was no reason for me to respect their relationship when I saw that Alex was abusive? That he has admittedly committed a form of rape? That he has destroyed her things? That he has threatened to get rid of shit that reminds him of her over the phone when he was angry? That he admittedly used Megan to make Leanne jealous? That he calls Linda to tell her shit about Leanne that Leanne doesn’t want her to know when it had nothing to do with him being concerned? I talked with Alex in one of our most civil conversations about how I would not help myself from being just friends with Leanne because I though of her as more than that. Then I smoked weed with him. And why would I give up because he threatens to hit me when I can use the law to protect me from physical violence? And don’t tell me it’s because anarchy can work without police. If hitting someone is a justified way of getting what you want then who’s to say we cant carry guns and kill anyone in our way?
“I've heard from more than one person you actually said to Alex "meet my dad, I want you to meet my dad".”
I told him I wanted him to meet my dad so that he would leave. He met my dad. And he left.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but moving to Rhode Island is moving on with my life. In fact it’s a bigger step towards my future than anything you have ever done. Caring about someone and not being willing to let go because the feelings are mutual is not obsessing. No matter how you want to phrase it.
You haven’t gotten hit because you only argue with people. I’m in some complex fucked up love triangle of which a person with anger problems is involved. Then again you have been hit with I think like 23 water balloons.
Stop sticking up for your friends. Doesn’t having a friend stand up for them make them shitty people? I don’t believe so but you seem to. Or was your remark about me using other people to help me bullshit?
Richard has told me in the past that if Alex touched me at all he would be there to help. And he was there to help. And when he came to help Alex threatened to kick his ass. (Then told me he doesn’t have anger problems)
Can we go get hobbies now?
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