Alternatives: New Beginnings (1/2)

Nov 09, 2008 11:37

Who_Daily Link: < a href="http://persiflage-1.livejournal.com/185085.html">Alternatives: New Beginnings (1/2) by < lj user=persiflage_1> (Characters: Human-Ten, Alt-Martha, Rose, Tyler family | Rating: PG-13 | Spoilers: Seasons 2 - 4 ( Read more... )

character: rose tyler, characters: tyler family, character: alt-martha, series: alternatives, character: human-doctor, fic: au

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azarsuerte November 14 2008, 09:58:40 UTC
Okay, wow, you know what? I'm a HUGE Martha fan and Rose is probably my least favorite character in the Whoverse next to Grace Holloway, but that doesn't change the fact that Rose is wildly out of character in this fic.

Yes, she can be immature and selfish sometimes, which are among the reasons why I'm not a huge fan, but you have exaggerated those traits to such a degree that it's completely unbelievable. Just because you hate the character and want to believe she's a raging bitch who never thinks about anyone but herself and would use the Doctor OR Mickey just for sex doesn't make it true.

IMO it also doesn't exactly reflect well on Martha that you have to give Rose a personality transplant in order for her to have a chance of winning the Doctor, any version of him. I personally think if he doesn't fall for her on her own merits, he doesn't deserve her.

I don't normally leave negative feedback, but it pisses me off when an author bashes a character or a 'ship they don't like to promote the one they do, whether the character or 'ship being bashed is one I like or not. If you hate Rose so much that you can't write her as a character instead of a caricature, then good God, just leave her out of the story entirely. Otherwise you do all the characters a disservice and Martha most of all.

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persiflage_1 November 14 2008, 10:10:25 UTC
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree with you that Rose is wildly out of character. There are many people who share my view of Rose's behaviour and personality as it was portrayed on the screen - and no, they're not all my brain-washed minions.

RTD did Rose a huge disservice in the way he portrayed Rose as having no interest in life outside getting back to the Doctor. And look at ridiculous way she reacted to Ten's almost-regeneration.

I've merely taken RTD's characterisation and extrapolated from it. I don't believe Rose and Handy will have the happy-ever-after that the Doctor expected them to have.

And it seemed to me, from what Mickey said to Jackie at the end of Journey's End, and from the way Rose behaved towards him during Seasons 1 and 2 (thinking in particular of Boom Town and the Cyberman two-parter), that she was in fact using him - whether that included using him for sex, I don't know obviously, since it's a family show and that's not going to be shown. But I don't think that it's an unreasonable assumption to make.

Of course your mileage may vary, but that's my view and it's my story, so that's how I've written her. And I did warn readers that the portrayal of Rose was not a positive one.

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azarsuerte November 14 2008, 10:43:29 UTC
I don't mind not positive--as I said I'm not a Rose fan. This, however, goes beyond that. But then maybe I'm unusual in that I try to see and respect the good even in characters that I dislike. Or at the least, to respect the judgment of the characters I *do* like enough to try to see what they saw in them.

If you don't want people who feel that way to read the story, then maybe you ought to be a little more specific in your warning. If I'd seen "Rose bashing" I would have avoided it, but since I don't think she's "the bee's knees" I didn't think there would be a problem. My mistake.

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persiflage_1 November 14 2008, 10:49:58 UTC
I don't mind not positive--as I said I'm not a Rose fan. This, however, goes beyond that. But then maybe I'm unusual in that I try to see and respect the good even in characters that I dislike. Or at the least, to respect the judgment of the characters I *do* like enough to try to see what they saw in them.

Well I can't see much that's good in Rose these days. She's not the character I quite liked in Season 1 - and I've never understood why the Doctor remained so hung up on her. Considering how many other companions he's had (and loved) and lost, it made no sense to me.

If you don't want people who feel that way to read the story, then maybe you ought to be a little more specific in your warning. If I'd seen "Rose bashing" I would have avoided it, but since I don't think she's "the bee's knees" I didn't think there would be a problem. My mistake.

Well I don't consider it character bashing. As I said, I took what I saw on the screen and developed her character from there. I've seen far worse depictions of Rose than the one I've written here. I'd say go and read Paladin's "A Small Piece of Coral" over on Teaspoon if you want to see real Rose-bashing, but you don't want that, so I won't.

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moyas_starburst November 14 2008, 17:20:35 UTC
I see azarsuerte's point, BUT I do think you did a good job of portraying her inability to accept HumanTen! on his own merits well, even if it seems a bit OTT, but then again I do see her reacting like this of sorts, it could go either way,

they split due to her resentment or she goes the way of Aeryn, in farscape which you have not seen where she accepts Crighton after his exact clone dies, (He got split inhalf literally during S3, and Aeryn thought one a clone, till she realised they were both Crighton)

The only thing I differ on in her points is it does not bother me that you portrayed her like this, I feel annoyed her charactor was written like it was,(Stolen earth) her being stupid with the dimenional device to find the Doc, and ok it was understandable she got a bit clingy when he was leaving her on the beach, she felt he was leaving her again, BUT like DOnna said "Do you realise what he is giving you?"

It was made better by leaving a part of himself behind, for her so he could love her, not himself but through his other self, like he said "does it need saying?" I thought "give the man a break! there he is leaving her behind again, after a very painfull speperation, and there she is trying to force him to feel even worse by saying I love you!

I hope she comes to accept him, she has no other option if she is want him in a way that she needs. That The Doctor can't give.
Otherwise there is alt Martha who can love him to bits!

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persiflage_1 November 14 2008, 18:35:10 UTC
The thing is, though, is that Rose frequently IS OTT. It amazes me that so many people like her as much as they do, but there you go - we can't all like the same things!

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moyas_starburst November 15 2008, 15:37:23 UTC
She appeals to the teenage half brains? Teens?

No we can't like the same things, it'll drive me bonkers if we all did!

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