So the plan is to use the hardware you own, but run modified or completely replaced software? I'm in Japan till august, after which I *should* be able to aquire my old tivo, and start hacking. I know older tivo models had quite a lot of available hacks, and there are several open source dvr systems out there... some links to look at:
True. What I am trying to do with the break-down is show what I consider to be the usury.
We used to tape our shows and watch them, just like we do now with Tivo. Over 10 years, the machine that cost us, say, $200 and a few bucks for a few tapes would cost $200 and a few more bucks for a few more tapes -- not a grand or more.
The Tivo service is simply a coordination of the taping process. Rather than look up the time your show will air and enter the timepoints and channel as you would with a VCR, you enter the show, with a few parameters. You can, in fact, simply enter the timepoints -- but why would you?
All I'm really after? The ability to operate my machine -- have I emphasized that enough yet, that it is mine? -- just as I would a VCR. Tivo does not allow that. If, in the course of development, we are able to do that and still have resources, throwing in some Tivo-esqu features without their service would be cream on the cake.
vcr's had a different business model. the vcr+ gadget probably still works pretty well. us that!
i can't imagine a more terrifying moment at that company than news saying, "people no longer need to get the program data from us. we are now bankrupt. pack up your desks." undoubtably they've applied advanced encryption to prevent that.
my friend has a vectrex video game system from 1988 and he wants to turn it into a robot!
"whatever for, again? concisely, i mean. what's so special about the tivo hardware?"
Well, I own it, for starters.
I'm all for open source DVR. That's why I started this. I don't, though, feel that any hardware should be exempt from open sourcing, especially if I own it.
so long as you recognize you're describing about 100,000 times more effort than building from scratch. it's not exempt. it's just impractical. best of luck.
I'm curious: Why so much more difficult? Wipe the old code, install new.
Also, I do recognize that I may be tilting at windmills, but I want whatever can be accomplished available to all. I want to liberate all the machines that want to be freed.
Seriously, I feel if there is an open-source alternative to Tivo, more manufacturers will make machines, which lowers cost, etc. The lock Tivo has on the market scares makers. Interesting stories about that later.
Hello and sorry. Well okay, not really too sorry. But I'm responding to a post you made in ColinMarshall's journal about oil and iraq, which has nothing (as far as I know) to do with DV cameras. So. I followed your links and thought you made some interesting points. Reading what you suggested was the first I've heard about effects of the transition, or perhaps, attempted transition from dollars to euros in the oil industry. I've been doing some browsing/research and was wondering if you could clarify a point for me. I'm not neccessarily economically minded, but I'm interested. The following excerpt from an article confused me and I was wondering if you could elucidate it for me, please
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I've got another question. I hope you don't mind answering these. Perhaps you can suggest somewhere/someone else to direct any future questions to. That would be helpful. But for now, you're the person I've got in mind as the answer-person. Um. That sounded weird. It's late. I hope you'll forgive me. So, next things which confused me: " when the dollar falls relative to the other currencies, OPEC-member states receive smaller revenues in other currencies for their oil, causing substantial cuts in their purchasing power, because they continue to sell oil in the U.S. dollar."
I have a feeling this isn't too complicated, but I haven't been able to open up it's logic. Economics. Ugh. Tricky but fascinating. (okay maybe not that tricky, but tricky for me right now) Thanks again. --Josh
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I know older tivo models had quite a lot of available hacks, and there are several open source dvr systems out there... some links to look at:
http://www.mythtv.org/
http://www.pvrweb.com/index.php?page=about
http://lists.saigon.com/vault/tivo/
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As to the plan, I have quite a few. I'll post about them in the community soon.
I have two Tivos, one older Sony model and a Tivo II (current machine). I have to sweet talk the wife into letting go.
For ten years, who wants to pay $1,500? Just for service? It's amazing.
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We used to tape our shows and watch them, just like we do now with Tivo. Over 10 years, the machine that cost us, say, $200 and a few bucks for a few tapes would cost $200 and a few more bucks for a few more tapes -- not a grand or more.
The Tivo service is simply a coordination of the taping process. Rather than look up the time your show will air and enter the timepoints and channel as you would with a VCR, you enter the show, with a few parameters. You can, in fact, simply enter the timepoints -- but why would you?
All I'm really after? The ability to operate my machine -- have I emphasized that enough yet, that it is mine? -- just as I would a VCR. Tivo does not allow that. If, in the course of development, we are able to do that and still have resources, throwing in some Tivo-esqu features without their service would be cream on the cake.
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i can't imagine a more terrifying moment at that company than news saying, "people no longer need to get the program data from us. we are now bankrupt. pack up your desks." undoubtably they've applied advanced encryption to prevent that.
my friend has a vectrex video game system from 1988 and he wants to turn it into a robot!
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brad, livejournal's inventor, lost faith in tivo and has switched to open source dvr.
but that doesn't interest you, if i'm reading this right. your intention is to "reprogram and liberate" existing commercial hardware, yes?
whatever for, again? concisely, i mean. what's so special about the tivo hardware?
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Well, I own it, for starters.
I'm all for open source DVR. That's why I started this. I don't, though, feel that any hardware should be exempt from open sourcing, especially if I own it.
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Also, I do recognize that I may be tilting at windmills, but I want whatever can be accomplished available to all. I want to liberate all the machines that want to be freed.
Seriously, I feel if there is an open-source alternative to Tivo, more manufacturers will make machines, which lowers cost, etc. The lock Tivo has on the market scares makers. Interesting stories about that later.
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" when the dollar falls relative to the other currencies, OPEC-member states receive smaller revenues in other currencies for their oil, causing substantial cuts in their purchasing power, because they continue to sell oil in the U.S. dollar."
I have a feeling this isn't too complicated, but I haven't been able to open up it's logic. Economics. Ugh. Tricky but fascinating. (okay maybe not that tricky, but tricky for me right now)
Thanks again.
--Josh
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I'd be happy to share anything I know (just don't be dissappointed when you find out the extent of what I know).
Why don't we hop over here?
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