Hobbit movie timeline versus canon Hobbit timeline
According to bookverse land and Tolkien, Gandalf obtained the map from Thrain when he found him in Dol Guldur all tortured and a shell of his own self. And then AFTER this encounter, can be able to give the map and key to Thorin so that he can complete the Quest. However, in the movies, it is different.... Gandalf initiates the Quest (somehow obtaining the key and map somewhere) and then in the DoS Extended, finds Thrain in Dol Guldur....
According to LotR Wiki:
But before his death, while on a mission to Dol Guldur, Gandalf the Grey came upon Thráin, and was given the old map. Thráin appeared so diminished that he had forgotten almost everything as well as his own name. Gandalf promised to deliver it to Thráin's son, but Thráin at the time had forgotten his name so Gandalf had no way of knowing who he was and did not expect to be able to fulfill this promise. There Thráin died.[4]
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Thr%C3%A1in_II#cite_note-3
So is this another deviation of timeline? I think if it was shown somewhere in AUJ movie flashback of Gandalf encountering Thrain first, it would make more sense of how Gandalf knows about the map and key and how he could give this to Thorin....
:sigh:
Another inconsistency of timing by PJ? I mean he wanted the White Council to be against Sauron featured around the time of the Bilbo's adventure but i think it changed it so much that this kind of plothole is hard to obscure?
Want to post this on TORN too....
According to LotR Wiki:
But before his death, while on a mission to Dol Guldur, Gandalf the Grey came upon Thráin, and was given the old map. Thráin appeared so diminished that he had forgotten almost everything as well as his own name. Gandalf promised to deliver it to Thráin's son, but Thráin at the time had forgotten his name so Gandalf had no way of knowing who he was and did not expect to be able to fulfill this promise. There Thráin died.[4]
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Thr%C3%A1in_II#cite_note-3
So is this another deviation of timeline? I think if it was shown somewhere in AUJ movie flashback of Gandalf encountering Thrain first, it would make more sense of how Gandalf knows about the map and key and how he could give this to Thorin....
:sigh:
Another inconsistency of timing by PJ? I mean he wanted the White Council to be against Sauron featured around the time of the Bilbo's adventure but i think it changed it so much that this kind of plothole is hard to obscure?
Want to post this on TORN too....