Tolerance and Substitution

Oct 31, 2013 20:05

I promised you all 12 hours. But I slightly lied because I found out that transferring stuff from Google docs over to LJ html makes for some fucked up html. I had to clean that shit up otherwise this post would look like crap. Oh - and I forgot to mention yesterday - I watched a whole 10 minutes of True Blood Season 6 this year. By God, what I saw ( Read more... )

what the fuck is this shit, twoeys - weres 'n' shifters, so many dead and gone, yep - dead as a doornail, tb - the other white meat, pam - best vampire ever, run like the wind sookie!, love isn't brains it's blood, sookie stackhouse - 28, travails of the svm fandom, that's not what i read at all, ch & svm is not so amateur, small town wedding fiasco, intolerance and bigotry, vampire politics = drama, vamps=dangerous liaisons, anon is moderated on this, always vampires first, eric northman the lover, happily ever afters 'n' such, omg omg dead ever after!, i thinked about svm today

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Re: rachw - part the second peppermintyrose October 31 2013, 19:55:09 UTC
While I agree with you that Eric wore an absurd outfit for the orgy, that seems to have been a commentary not on what a gay man would wear, but rather on what the inhabitants expected that a gay man would present as. During the orgy, while Sookie's there, both Eggs and Tom Hardaway talk/think about having sex with Lafayette, and yet they don't consider themselves to be gay or bisexual - and they certainly aren't out to the community. Eggs spent all that time thinking about Eric's butt when to the world, he presents Tara as the face of the person he's into.

I disagree about Mel - he never made a move on Jason, and that's part of what Crystal was taunting him with. Jason, we are told early in the books has a problem with gay people, and so I find it realistic that he would leap to the conclusion that indeed, Mel was responsible for Crystal's death. To think that in a moment, Jason would have an epiphany and realise that Mel was still the same is disingenuous. And as a result, he never actually avenged Crystal's death on the people who actually killed her. He was left pretty ignorant about that.

I think that the whole idea of gay panic was deliberate (and tell me about it - we have gay panic defence still on the books here) - and I think the whole point was to show their utmost fear of how easily it could happen. Claude is a supernatural being, scary as hell and feared by them...until they find out he's gay. And that's when all the plotting goes out the window, and fear goes out the window, and they attack him. It's showing just how freaking irrational the whole thing is.

In fairness, vampires passed amongst humans for as long as shifters did - barring the five years of the books.

I'm not sure how the HIV lover of Tyrese, who is in a straight relationship somehow relates to vampires though.

White vampires get slightly and consistently paler as well - Eric she likens at one stage to paper.

I agree with you that Tara's experience would definitely be different, and that this was definitely not true that it makes no difference. I hadn't read that before.

Renfields are different though - in that they have no sense of self - and are merely a narcissistic reflection of their masters. That would hold true in a situation where a black slave has been enslaved and beaten down long enough to accept their place, but I don't think it holds true for the majority of slaves. The greater majority would have bore their enslavement, and questioned how they felt daily about it.

In fairness, I'm not part of these marginalised groups either - I have all the privilege to see it from a different perspective, and of course I don't live in America. Perhaps that's why I put a lot of value on the aspects such as Lafayette's death as realistic as possible. We get a lot of Mad About You with white people in their million dollar apartments, and not much of the gritty hard side of things. I can't think of any sitcoms that we get that have many black characters in them - even as side stories - barring the Cosby show. So showing the trials and tribulations of characters of colour and the prejudice they face is not something I can really witness. Our history isn't one of merely enslaving Indigenous people, so it's something new to me that I don't see a lot.

And all that said, I missed this sort of thing most of all. :D I want to hear what you think about it, with happiness.

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Re: rachw - part the second peppermintyrose October 31 2013, 20:06:10 UTC
Aww, but I notice and appreciate lots of butts that don't belong to my main squeeze. ;)

I think we just definitely disagree about the texture and flavor of some of these things, in part based on differences in our group memberships.

But, agree to disagree, and thanks for putting up with that long-ass comment. :)

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Re: rachw - part the second peppermintyrose October 31 2013, 20:11:12 UTC
Lol - but I don't think you're inherently wrong for thinking this way. I know that I see it this way, but I'm fine that I don't get to be the all-knowing arbiter on the whole shebang. I included a lot of buts cause I don't actually think any of your points shouldn't be considered - and you may be completely right.

I suspect you're right about belonging to groups colouring our perspectives. Which is part of why I don't think bias can be out of something, and definitely why the fandom should have some sort of long-arse talks like this. Because otherwise, those who shout loudest get to set the agenda.

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