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Jul 13, 2009 11:57

"Norwegian black metal is completely unbalanced - that is why it is so compelling and powerful. It is the sound of utter torment, believing to one’s core that that winter will never end, that spring will never come. It is really music that can only be made by bitter and rage-filled teenagers. It is powerful and important to have these kinds of ( Read more... )

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penisxcore July 14 2009, 02:12:08 UTC
maybe the genuine willingness to risk ones life is age-specific, but righteous anger? you think so? ive been around plenty of old people who are plenty pissed about plenty of real injustices. but their reactions are much more peaceful or they don't have any at all (for the most part).

how do you think at this point in time you are supposed to fight for anything, especially in the US? im actually curious.

the youth subculture movement(s), which is half fashion-based anyways, is just a way to live an alternative lifestyle. but i think its more passive now than ever. its basically fighting something by not supporting it. and choices are often highly dependent on the amount of disposable income inherited from parents (im talking about kids under 18).

as far as consumerism, yeah i dont think its inherently bad. i am an active participant, no doubt. im just thinking along the lines of growing older, which often accompanies a job, perhaps a family, and occasionally a larger income (though this is definitely not always the case), leads to much narrow parameters of awareness... i.e. i need to go to work and then take my kid to school, and then everyone needs to get fed when we get home, and oh wouldnt my wife like that pretty dress cause then shell fuck me tonight, and afterwards well watch this silly movie and tomorrow will be the same thing. this is a pretty stereotypical middle-class scenario, but its an example of becoming comfortable. and thats the problematic effect of such a lifestyle. if youre comfortable, you have the luxury of not being angry, and not paying attention to anything that would make you rightly feel so.

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penisxcore July 14 2009, 19:46:09 UTC
I would love to go with shows with you as well. But seeing as we don't know each other personally you probably would never ask me to go along. :/

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penisxcore July 14 2009, 23:43:22 UTC
to anonymous-

the easiest way to find out is if we go to the same show, separately. if we enjoy each others company we can go to more. if not, we dont.

who are you?

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ww0308 July 14 2009, 22:41:11 UTC
Yeah, exactly, they're still pissed, they just don't react as much. I suppose that means I was wrong and you're right, the anger is still there, just maybe less of it.

The things I'm interested in fighting for are environmentalism and labor rights. (Sex and drugs are great too, but I believe practically everyone else under 40 or 50 already agrees, and gay marriage and drugs are going to be legal in a few more years without any great exertion, whereas pollution and sweatshops will be with us until we work hard to end them.)

To answer how people should fight, especially today in the US, I'll just be blunt: I think large groups of young people marching in the streets and vandalizing things is an appropriate response to evil in all times and places, and would still be perfectly effective here and now in the US if people would just try it.

That said, creating better options such as farmers' markets, home solar and wind power generation, clothing companies that don't operate locations in Saipan or the rest of the third world, and so forth, and using them, would be a lot gentler and still very effective, and suits the older, more settled temperament better. Unlike marching and vandalizing, this does depend greatly on disposable income.

The kids I'd like to see fight are already comfortable, which is fine. The real difference is that they're not as busy and afraid as people who have soul-killing jobs and kids and mortgages to worry about. Making people busy and afraid is definitely a problem, and a much more effective way to keep them quiet than making them comfortable. Did you know France is currently voting on whether to make mandatory vacations 6 weeks a year instead of 4, while in the US the average vacation is 2 and about a third of workers won't take any vacation at all?

Deliberate legal restrictions on how much of our lives a job can consume could make working adults more willing to think about sweatshops or pollution. Living with apartments and trains instead of houses and cars, and having decent "free" (tax-funded) public schools and universities and hospitals, would make them a lot less indebted and afraid to stick their necks out.

(Apartments would make home gardens & power generation tougher, but enough of the apartment residents could still get together and have the management make those changes.)

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