labels and pairings and B5

Jan 31, 2008 14:45

In case anyone (who cares) missed it, yesterday I finally posted "Eschatos", the BSG fic I've been working on for the past month and a half or so ( Read more... )

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pellucid January 31 2008, 21:26:19 UTC
There is definitely a Delenn/Laura Roslin similarity. I mentioned this briefly a few weeks ago (either here or just to gabolange--I don't remember), but I haven't had a chance to really think it through yet. But yes, there's the religious/political/military overlaps, there's the question of certainty versus doubt when you wield such tremendous power, there's the sense of carrying the fortunes of the world on your shoulders. So yes. Definitely something worth delving into more.

"I am the very model of a modern major general" made me LAUGH AND LAUGH AND LAUGH!!!!!!! Oh Marcus!!!! So much awesome!!!!

My story is pretty much all about the women, yes. But she is still sleeping with Adama, so I can see where a hardcore femslash person might have some trouble with that part of it. ;)

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gabolange January 31 2008, 20:47:23 UTC
I don't think I've ever thought of Delenn's role in the Earth/Minbari War as a retcon, though that may be because I've always known about it. (I honestly don't remember.) I think it serves as a relatively nice counterpart to John's role as Starkiller--they represent the most violent moments of each side in the war, and nonetheless come together (on so many different levels) to be the voices for peace.

As with many things with Babylon 5, it's better storytelling on a broad level than it is on a personal level. My recollection of Delenn in season one is as a cypher; we don't get a lot of insight into her emotional motives. And yet, she defies the Minbari to go into the chrysalis because she feels it's the correct action (motivated by prophecy, of course, but certainly also by emotion), so I'm not sure I really consider that emotional aspect a retcon ( ... )

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pellucid January 31 2008, 21:41:01 UTC
If it's retcon--and maybe it's not--I think I'm still more or less okay with it. Frankly, though, I think I actually kind of preferred Delenn when she was more of a cypher. I likened her in season 1 to Prospero, and I'm not sure that was quite the right comparison, but I loved the sense that she knew so much more than she was saying, that she was really the one controlling the show behind the scenes, and that this person behind the cypher was going to be so very cool. Delenn was probably my favorite part of season 1, actually ( ... )

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gabolange January 31 2008, 22:37:23 UTC
I will be interested to see what you think of Delenn for the rest of season four (and, very differently) for season five. I don't want to say much, but I think that the rest of this season has a fairly big impact on her journey as a character--as a leader, as a woman, as someone who has to make grand gestures. Though "Severed Dreams" is a favorite, I think her best--and strongest and most difficult--moments are yet to come ( ... )

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pellucid January 31 2008, 23:17:15 UTC
I think her best--and strongest and most difficult--moments are yet to come.

This makes me all smiley and hopeful-like! Not that I haven't been enjoying Delenn all along--I definitely have--but "best...strongest...[and] difficult" is always for the win!

(Also, this made me grin, which makes me happy, because it has been yet another day.)

A pox on days, and yay for grinning. It's been a "let's nap in the carrel" kind of day for me. I have consumed so much caffeine in an effort to keep my eyes open and it has had no effect whatsoever. I've gotten almost no productive work done (certainly not of the sort that requires actual brain cells), and I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to bail on a friend's show tonight. (I thought he was opening the show at 10:00, and that seemed bad enough, but now it turns out he's the main act at more like 11:00, and I cannot conceive actually being awake and away from home at that hour, given the state of my brain and body right now. Argh! So sad, too, because he is awesome, and I always enjoy hearing him ( ... )

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admireddisorder January 31 2008, 21:13:28 UTC
you know, i've been often wondering about that as well. a month or so ago - maybe more, maybe less - i posted a fic to the adama/roslin archive. since i don't have a personal journal anymore, i didn't exactly know where else to post it, so i posted it there. BUT it isn't really an adama/roslin fic. it's a laura roslin fic. there IS adama/roslin in it, of course, but that's not at all what the story is about. it's a story about choices and possibilities - or the lack thereof - life and the road less traveled by. so, was i right in posting it there?

aside bsg i'm not involved in any other fandom, but i did write for a short while for sg1 and sga. it was easier labeling stories there, mainly because the characters weren't so interconnected. in bsg you can write a gen story that has kara/lee, laura/lee, laura/adama, baltar/gaeta, tory/anders, t_gh/ellen and god knows what else, and STILL not be about any of the pairings themselves. so how do you label it correctly. and, WHERE do you post is so that it doesn't offend people? i've shipped ( ... )

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pellucid January 31 2008, 21:52:50 UTC
This whole question of how to label fics in BSG is tied (at least in my mind) to what I mentioned a couple of weeks ago about feeling like this fandom is so compartmentalized. My first BSG story was a gen, original character story--not the way I'd advise attempting to break into a new fandom! I got about three comments, two of which were from my betas. And that's fine, really. I write stories because I want to tell them, and while it's always nice to get feedback, that's not my goal in writing. What frustrated me, though, is that I felt like there probably were people who might have liked that story, but I didn't have any means of finding those people and pointing out the story because most of the comms are pairing-related, and the ones that aren't get so many stories that I suspect people don't read all that many of the stories ( ... )

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pellucid February 1 2008, 04:46:19 UTC
For some reason I'd never thought about looking on crack_van for BSG. It's very much the place for Farscape recs, but I think I tend to associate it with Farscape, even though I'm well aware that it's far, far broader.

And I'm not sure I "chose" Adama/Roslin in any kind of concerted way. The pairing itself sometimes frustrates me, and the fandom contingent often does, but their interaction just really pings for me. I really should write my A/R love post.

I have poked around at nnaylime's archive, and I think it's pretty cool. I understand why she has the non-A/R restriction, and it does make a lot of sense on one level: there is already a good A/R archive, and there are so many of those stories that I'm sure they'd soon take over lauraroslin.com if they were let in, drowning out the gen and rare pairings that are the whole point of the archive. But on the other hand it's doing the label thing that kind of irritates me. Is "Eschatos" A/R? Is "The Signs that the Signmakers Made"? Yes. And also no. Perhaps I should learn to write either pairing-free ( ... )

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sugargroupie January 31 2008, 21:36:17 UTC
I still struggle with whether or not to use pairing labels because I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea of over-categorizing things. I've only specifically labeled a fic by pairing once or twice, but generally I try not to for my own personal reasons. When I reorganized my fic archive I added categories and pairings to the index, but after consideration I'm going to remove the pairing labels. While I have no problem complying with community rules that specify labels, I like being able to control what I include in the headers of fic on my own website.

And oh yes, Farscape has definitely spoiled me in that regard.

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pellucid January 31 2008, 22:02:08 UTC
Oh, Farscape!!! Why can't everything be as cool as you are?!?!?!?

If I've written a fic that is clearly pairing-/relationship-centric and romantic/sexual, I don't generally have a problem putting a pairing label on it. It's the ones that don't fit that bother me; I don't like having to pretend that my stories are about things they're not really about, etc. But ultimately, when it's a writer I don't know, I do pay attention to labels: fairly or not, I'm much more likely to take a chance on an unknown writer if the story is about a pairing or a character I'm predisposed to like. And if I read that way, I can only assume other people do as well, so it's a way of advertising according to at least moderately accepted conventions. I also don't particularly relish the idea of feedback to the tune of "you deceived me because you didn't warn for X pairing!"

So I continue, mostly, to label, even if doing so also makes me grumble.

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