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May 03, 2009 01:07

I had a discussion with Logan today.

And a small self-discovery at that.

Back in OH, Kerri asked me why I was so over-protective on my guinea pigs, and not of my hamsters. I told her I didn't know, and that it was strange because on a scale, I hold my hamsters at 10, and the guinea pigs around 4-6; yet I was more protective of them, than my hamster ( Read more... )

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silmahelm May 3 2009, 16:34:31 UTC
I can agree with some things, but I also disagree. Pets, birds, ferrets, etc were pets a long time ago as well. Sure they had the ability to be more mobile, but they were pets even than. And to most people with common sense, they know that pets are companions, to love and cherish.

90% of the world does not treat their animals like that. Plenty of people take their caged animals out for the day, when they are home, only using a cage as a place of sleeping or protection for them while they are not. And most pets like that, would end up returning to their owners. A lot of owners house break their animals. My parents said it best, if you can't take them out on a regular bases and let them roam free in the house for the majority of the time, you have no business having a caged animal. Their thought was that they need their time outside too and if all your goin to do is keep them locked up, than its best not to get a pet like that.

I remember when Mystic got out, I was so scared that she was gone. But she came home. It was her instinct to come home, to the place that was warm and caring. To the one that she cared for and those that cared for her.

I don't agree with the snakes and lizards thing, mostly cause I don't like those kinds of animals. But domesticated animal has less of a chance of surviving out there in the wild than a wild animal does. BECAUSE they are used to being fed and they have no instincts or skills to hunt, so they don't stand a chance in the wild compared to animals that are already in the wild and have learned those skills to stay alive.

I also like to comment on this: We've lost so much of our ancestral instincts.... We're no longer capable of always choosing the strongest mate, and now we're forcing that tendency onto our companions.

Its my thought that comment is wrong. Because we do pick the strongest mate. Picking the strongest mate doesn't mean picking the one that's tougher than the rest. We pick the mate that is strongest for us. For some that might mean emotionally or physically or mentally or a mix of both.

We haven't lost that instinct its still there, the question is do we listen to it. Yes sometimes we make a mistake and pick the wrong mate, but to say that we are no longer capable of always choosing the strongest mate is not logical.

We pick the mate that will allow us to survive. Its not always a physical thing, but a personality thing or an emotional thing or a mental thing or whatever.

Regarding our pets, we can't force anything on them, their instincts will always out rule ours. Perhaps some of these rabbits that don't mate with some choose to do so because they themselves can sense that its not a good match.

You can't force your instincts on someone or something. That's placed in us from the start and it never goes away. But we can choose to listen to those instincts or not and when it comes to animals...we can't project those feelings on them, they will choose what they choose and go with what's best for them with what they have been given.

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pelagic_soul May 3 2009, 19:51:11 UTC
"90% of the world does not treat their animals like that. Plenty of people take their caged animals out for the day, when they are home, only using a cage as a place of sleeping or protection for them while they are not. And most pets like that, would end up returning to their owners. A lot of owners house break their animals. My parents said it best, if you can't take them out on a regular bases and let them roam free in the house for the majority of the time, you have no business having a caged animal. Their thought was that they need their time outside too and if all your goin to do is keep them locked up, than its best not to get a pet like that."

Very true, it's wise not to have a caged companion if you can't let it roam. But a lot of pet owners aren't aware their pet can actually run around. They're too afraid to let them. But a bird will not return to their home. A cat or dog will, understand, but a bird will not. Because they're free to fly the skies.

"I don't agree with the snakes and lizards thing, mostly cause I don't like those kinds of animals. But domesticated animal has less of a chance of surviving out there in the wild than a wild animal does. BECAUSE they are used to being fed and they have no instincts or skills to hunt, so they don't stand a chance in the wild compared to animals that are already in the wild and have learned those skills to stay alive."

I know. I didn't touch that detail in my post, apologies.

"it's my thought that comment is wrong. Because we do pick the strongest mate. Picking the strongest mate doesn't mean picking the one that's tougher than the rest. We pick the mate that is strongest for us. For some that might mean emotionally or physically or mentally or a mix of both."

Understand, my generalized meaning of "strong" is strong in health.

"..Perhaps some of these rabbits that don't mate with some choose to do so because they themselves can sense that its not a good match."

Wait... which rabbits? House or feral? A rabbit in the wild actually persues their desired mate and mounts him. And they do this until the male finally relents and comes chasing after her. As far as house rabbits go, and mating them, those does can't choose either way. Their breeder says they will mate to this buck over here, and that's what the doe has to do.

"You can't force your instincts on someone or something. That's placed in us from the start and it never goes away. But we can choose to listen to those instincts or not and when it comes to animals...we can't project those feelings on them, they will choose what they choose and go with what's best for them with what they have been given."

Every mammal out there runs on instincts, and imprinting. A tiger cub learns how to hunt from mom. They aren't born into the world with already a complete understanding on how to do it(you might debate about this using cats as an example - I'll get to that). Cubs are born knowing how to hunt, but not how exactly to do it properly. They know in order to get dinner, they need to run their prey down. But they're too anxious. They bolt out into the open and let their target know where they are. It's not until mom shows them to be patient that they properly learn to hunt efficiently. I imagine cats have learned to do it through trial and error. It doesn't matter if they make the catch if they're indoor-outdoor cats, they'll get fed either way. If they're completely outdoor cats, there's trash to rummage through. Wild big cats can't afford to make mistakes like that. They aren't going to get fed any other way.

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