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pro100_petrov October 1 2014, 16:53:06 UTC
I would tell that guys to shut up.

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peacetraveler22 October 1 2014, 16:54:14 UTC
They would not listen! And then what? I don't know the reasoning for this extreme behavior. I don't think it has any basis in the Torah.

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siberian_cat October 1 2014, 17:00:54 UTC
And then the captain should return the plane back to NY, as they do when people start arguing -- not even fighting -- over reclining seats. And people in the isles refusing to take their seats is a safety impediment.

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peacetraveler22 October 1 2014, 17:07:47 UTC
Apparently, the captain demanded that they sit down during take off and they complied. The flight was completely packed, as many were traveling to Israel to celebrate the New Year. However, once in the air, they got out of the seats and stood for 11 hours straight! Extreme dedication to religion. Such insanity I will never understand.

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pro100_petrov October 1 2014, 17:02:27 UTC
Nevertheless, if I were that women, I ll do something like this:

Off couse, it is not polite to talk this way, but...

To my mind, this problem could be puzzled by aviacompany before the flight. So, this situation is a big mistake of El-Al.

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peacetraveler22 October 1 2014, 17:08:02 UTC
I don't know what she' saying, but she looks scary! :)

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pin_gwin October 1 2014, 19:57:24 UTC
They are pushing here to remove Russian-flag-colored bows from the rack as Ukraine is in war. She is sending them, well .... to a long sexual journey. Policeman left to the suggested place, the customer continued to insist.. Good thing nobody was killed or wounded.
I have to say that Ukrainian ladies a able to stay for themselves.

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buyaner October 1 2014, 18:34:20 UTC
It has its basis in the Talmud, namely the regulations concerning the menses. As it is impossible to know, whether certain woman is currently "unclean" or not, the rule is generalized and applied to each woman. Moreover, in the public transport in Israel one can often observe similar scenes; once I saw a "kharedi", who refused taking away his bag from the adjacent seat to let an old (!!!) woman sit by his side.

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peacetraveler22 October 1 2014, 18:36:44 UTC
I did not know, thank you for the information. And why are they afraid of menses? Without it, they would not be in existence. :) What about young girls who clearly have not started their menstrual cycle. Will they sit by them?

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buyaner October 1 2014, 19:18:43 UTC
As far as I know (these things depend heavily on each particular group and among the chassids on each rabbi), the rules concerning the menses do not apply on the girls before the age of 12, when they celebrate their Bat-Mitzvah (female adulthood), nor to the elderly women. However, it is not always possible to determine the age and the fertility by externals, so they prefer to be safe than sorry.

Why do they afraid of menses - because this state is believed to be ritually unclean, not only in Judaism, but also, for example, in Islam, in Zoroastrianism etc. It does not mean any negative attitude to the fact that a woman is fertile - quite the contrary: the childbirth is of utmost value in all these religions. I would say, it is a paradox of the sacred: the holy and the impure have much in common.

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peacetraveler22 October 1 2014, 19:22:19 UTC
I've been to a few Bar-Mitzvahs in the U.S., but never to a Bat-Mitzvah! I understand the basis for the menses issue now, thank you.

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