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ext_949906 September 20 2015, 02:44:55 UTC
There are still trial versions in Venezuela and North Korea. Everybody welcome!

I am so sorry Cuba and Vietnam not on the list anymore

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peacetraveler22 September 20 2015, 02:49:57 UTC
It's still not so easy to travel to Cuba. It's a pity, because it's not so far from me. American citizens still need to be part of some type of organized tour for educational, professional or humanitarian purposes. Independent travel remains impossible to my understanding, and the cultural exchange tours are too expensive. I'm receiving invitations to them in the mail frequently. I think it's much easier to go to Venezuela. :)

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ext_949906 September 20 2015, 04:31:43 UTC
Surely, you can go to N Korea and ask for a citizenship. They will be happy to oblige. The organized tour is not the same as the full immersion. I really recommend the immersion to understand the advantages of the full blown socialism. It is outstanding!

It is very interesting question when (if) we will hear about your experience.

Don't go to Cuba, it is not the same anymore. And Venezuela is still building the real future society, they are not there yet

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selfmade September 20 2015, 17:46:20 UTC
Not sure about independent travel by pure Americans, but double citizens can go to Mexico and buy a ticket to Cuba just like that.

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agathpher September 20 2015, 02:57:07 UTC
two things:

- fundamental education was pretty good. I went to a second tear engineering university, we had a very rigorous course of math (five semesters), physics (four semesters), theoretical basis of electonics (four semesters) - I am a pretty successfull engineer in the States by any reasonable standard, and my education is completely adequate. Also, an average high school graduate in "совок" would run circles around an average high school student here in math, and chemistry, geography, etc.

- when everybody around you lives this miserable life you would not even know that you are deprived of something. I went to Saint Petersburg in the summer of 2001, it was the lowest point I think - the city in terrible disarray, the streets full of falling apart cars, angry impoverished people in public transportation. It just hurt to be there the first few days. By the end of my vacation (less then three weeks) I all of a sudden realized that I was not noticing any problems any more - I got used to it, it just became a new norm.

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peacetraveler22 September 20 2015, 03:23:26 UTC
You especially don't realize deprivation when you have no option to leave your home country and see how others live. For me, it's the only way to understand your place in the world. Now the globe is much more open, thanks to technology and other modern advances. It's always amazing though to see your own country through the eyes of others. I esp. like traveling with foreign friends in the USA. They notice things that are completely ordinary to me.

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ext_949906 September 20 2015, 04:25:29 UTC
You can go and try the trial version (again). I will be happy to learn about your experience (again)

Otherwise, I don't really care (again). Sorry (again)

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