Athorism

[peaceandlies]

First off, I would like to take the oportunity to define two things:

Athiesm
-noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Athorism
-noun
a strong belief that the nordic deity Thor doesn't exist.

Anyone see the problem?

I recently got into a discussion about arguments between athiests

Comments

[lunasol28]

*nods* I love discussion as well. Talking with people different from who I am helps me to grow as a person.

People get angry when you challenge their beliefs because it causes them to question and doubt hence the anger that can be seen from Christians. Being atheist is the more rational and more often than not saner approach to life. Religion stems from nonsensical stories and centuries of contradictions and hypocrisy and as such it's hard to have a foot to stand on and to make a justifiable argument.

Personally, I believe in a higher power because I am familiar with the Christian belief. It puts me at ease to think that I will see my past family members someday and that there is something better beyond this world. Yes, I'm aware, based on all of the knowledge that we have gathered, that it's silly but it gives me comfort. And even in the face of all the destruction, corruption, abuse, etc in our world I still believe this. I have my doubts especially with how we arrived here, how we got to this moment in time. Through science we have found that our universe derived from a single atom but if that is so then where did the atom come from?

lol I remember getting in trouble when I was younger (I went to a Christian School) because I asked where did God come from. We had been on the beginning of the world and my teacher was holding the picture of an artist's depiction of God (he was blue by the way). She said that God was always here and of course I countered with he had to come from somewhere which followed with does God have a mommy. My teacher got flustered and told me that we do not question God, that we know that he has always been here because the Bible says so and the Bible is the word of God. From then on I didn't question but as I got older I began to.

The issue I had always struggled with was the homosexuals and hell argument. When I was younger I read the Sailor Moon manga which had lesbian relationships in it and it didn't phase me because it was fictional but I hadn't come to terms with how I felt when it came to homosexual relationships in reality. That all changed when my friend told me he was Bi and that the reason he was so moody, tired, and hungover most of the time was because he was coming to terms with it. We were thirteen and at that moment any thoughts of condemning anyone to hell for who they are attracted to left my mind. I promised myself that words like that wouldn't leave my mouth anymore and I apologized to him for ever making him feel like he couldn't tell me. He said that I was the first person he told because he knew I wouldn't freak out and despite how I believed I was the one in our group who was more open minded.

From that point on I stopped caring about what I had been taught and focused more on what I wanted to believe and actually tried to understand other people rather than automatically saying they go to hell. When I said stuff like that it always made me feel weird but I thought it was right because it was what I was taught, I know better now and it feels so much better to talk about stuff that I actually believe rather than what I've been forced to believe or feel obligated to say.

[peaceandlies]

Yes, I find that those with the weakest beliefs tend to flip when they're questioned. I'm not labeling a certain belief weak here, I'm saying that different people can have different strengths of beliefs, theists or athiests. People whose beliefs are easily questionable, seem, from the beginning, to disregard logic and common sense.

You ask where the atom came from? I struggle to find the answer in physics, although I'm very interested. I have occasions when I go on info hunts about these things. Perhaps it was always there - part of the building blocks of the universe-to-be.(I think the first matter wasn't actually an atom, rather a condensed ball containing all the matter and energy we have today, but if you know more, I'll listen) But I find it impossible to grasp the concept of a few things in my mind:

A) That God can exist outside of time and space - This feels like all we have. My senses tell me there is no 'higher plane', and so I accept that, because they are the only things I cann really trust.

B) That if God did exist, he would be able to creat matter out of nothing. You see, with physical concepts and theories, like the one that says nothing can be created or destroyed, I accept that as truth because it links in my brain. It makes sense. And so, how could god do the impossible. To me, that isn't any more possible than any non-divine explanation there is.

Being a lesbian myself (about K5 i think), that was one of the reasons I actually stopped and thought about my belief in God. Since he condemned me to hell, I stopped to think about why I should accept without question that the world could be so cruel. (I was 7). And so I thought about it, and eventually came to the conclusion that I wasn't going to hell, because hell didn't exist. (Its a little more complex than that, but a fairly good view for a seven yearold)