Ah, waking up...

Dec 03, 2008 11:56

I love it how Liberal America or at least, the more leftist elements of it, is slowly starting to realize that it just might not be true that Obama is the messiah ( Read more... )

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jlina December 3 2008, 21:28:57 UTC
a few things. To start, you keep using variations on the phrase "Obama the messiah." To the best of my knowledge, that is a Republican talking point. Rational people do not perceive politicians to be holy figures. So, are you a Republican trying to convince people that their belief in Obama's desire to fix things is a sign of irrationality, or do you really believe that more moderate members of the leftist movement based their votes for this man on a hysterical faith ( ... )

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pdxkate December 4 2008, 01:24:42 UTC
Well I've been reading a lot of Andrea Smith so the only responses I feel like mustering at the moment might come off as somewhat dismissive. I posted this in response to some murmuring on Common Dreams and other places about how Obama may not be quite the environmentalist that many leftist groups were making him out to be. My response is not meant so much to open a dialogue about the finer points of obama but to sigh in the face of what I percieve to be naivete on the part of folk on the left ( ... )

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lucyindeeskye December 4 2008, 06:00:33 UTC
+1. My thoughts exactly. It's just a relief to have a figurehead who isn't an utter embarrassment when he opens his mouth.

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jlina December 4 2008, 14:44:26 UTC
Okay, so your top priority, over health care, judicial or economic reform, is the erradication of "white supremacy"? For reals? How do you propose a government does that? Because I feel like, knowing your politics, any government program to address that would cost more than you're comfortable paying ( ... )

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pdxkate December 4 2008, 18:38:44 UTC
I dont have a lot of answers yet and I'm not nearly as smart as you are. I wish I could articulate my understanding of things as well as you can, and I have no doubt that some of my idealism will turn out to be so not pragmatic that I have to abandon it for survival...

I don't really have the energy for this, I need to do homework not argue on the internet.

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jlina December 4 2008, 18:58:35 UTC
I think the problem is that you articulate your contempt pretty damn well. It's a fucking great skill, because all social movements need firebrands... I just feel like I've seen you in defense of things you figured out for yourself around CT, and comparing that fire with your steady stream of comments against the democratic process has been a study in opposites.

Bring back the Kat who supports her arguments with evidence!

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