They label evolution and secular humanism as religions because as competing religions, they can be Biblically 'disproven' as simply as with Exodus 20:3-4. No one has to worry about the possibility that the two (Christianity and evolution) might be, dare I say, compatible.
*points to his own latest LJ entry for even more stupidity* I hate getting into conversations about evolution and religion and such. It never brings up anything good, especially if you're talking to very stubborn Christians.
Maybe, if I ever happen to get into a discussion of origins with some very stubborn Christians, I should pretend to be a very stubborn follower of Zeus. Or maybe Ceucy, a Goddess of the Tupi people in the Amazon. Hey, maybe even just ol' FSM.
Okay so like, what exactly is the connection between pro-creationism and anti-gay? What place does anti-gay propaganda have in literature about pro-creationism? I mean, sure, they're both fundamentalist christian beliefs, but come on, man, PAY ATTENTION TO ONE THING AT A TIME. It's like all the peace rallies lately, with all the propaganda for pro-gay and pro-choice and pro-libertarian and pro-communist and breast-cancer-reasearch and AIDS awareness and funding for the starving children in [name of third world country here] and... well you get the idea.
Re: Two things:woodburnerOctober 1 2006, 03:49:30 UTC
Yes, I know if you're a creationist you're probably anti-gay, but that doesn't mean the two subjects have anything to do with each other.
It isn't working (as far as the whole "one supposedly liberal rally is all liberal rallies" thing), it's polarizing people, alienating people who would otherwise be "liberals," and I don't know about you, but I'm seeing a reactionary lash-back building up that's going to explode in the very near future and it kinda scares me.
I subscribe to the HRC newsletter (pro-gay-rights organization) and used to care, you know, but they've gradually disgusted me with their political agenda that I just don't care about them anymore.
Re: Two things:descartes_rockOctober 6 2006, 12:11:46 UTC
This is an interesting comment -- although I am not sure I completely understand. However, if you are saying what I think you are saying, then I really agree with you. I used to consider myself a "liberal", but feel no allegiance to the movement at all anymore. I think part of that is because I don't like subscribing to a way of thinking lock stock and barrel. I find I don't agree with some things and do agree with others. However another reason is that I have found the liberal movement to become increasingly intollerant and reactionary. Liberals are supposed to be open-minded, and yet they have become more dogmatic hostile to other ways of thinking than conservatives. I don't like it one little bit. A whole bunch of global thinkers who consider themselves "liberals" got togther a couple of months back to redefine the movement. They developed a kind of manifesto which they have uploaded to the Web, and which attempts to rectify the trend you are talking about. It embraces core principles like free thought. Unfortunately, I
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I've got to agree with you, and what saddens me is that I think these kind of views actually put reasonable normal people off the insights in the bible which are profound and good.
By adhering to this literalist approach, they stop other people taking the bible seriously.
My added complaint: how come the plants and trees were made on the third day, when the sun itself wasn't even made (according to Genesis) until the 4th day?
The danger is that this kind of christianity ends up down a cultural cul-de-sac, a dead end anti-intellectual head-in-sand community that sees the world as hostile and a threat to their myths.
I can appreciate a metaphorical interpretation of Genesis (like the fall of Adam and Eve representing how all humans disobey God and turn away from him and his gifts in their lives). But it just makes no sense to interpret these things literally. People might not even consider a literal interpretation of it if so many of them weren't raised to be friendly to that sort of view. I know just how ridiculous it is, obviously, but I feel... uncomfortably comfortable with it, if that makes any sense. I was taught to accept it when I was little, and deep down, it's still rather difficult to shake because of that
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But science and christianity are in a battle to the death. From my perspective anyway. Science actively seeks to discredit all forms of learning that do not conform to the empirical/rational models.
Scientists actively attack any belief that cannot be validated through scientific methodologies. They do this because science has become their religion, and non-scientific forms of learning are heretical. Thus the stereotype of the scientist righteously cruisading for truth and an end to "ignorance", which is defined as anything that goes against the scriptures of science. Scientists have become the new missionaries. The origin of the species is like the book of John.
Ironically, scientists are good examples of what they seek to destroy. The scary thing is that they are much more effective at stamping out other forms of thought than other religions.
But science and christianity are in a battle to the death.
Yes, because the more extreme Christians insist on making it a battle to the death. They need the feeling of persecution in order to add some spice to their life. Believe it or not, most scientists would be content to let people have their own beliefs and be done with it. They are not out to stomp out religion (most of them, anyways), and science hasn't become a religion... what are you thinking
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Tell me about it. My world literature class is actually doing a unit on creation myths right now. A Christian dude (who believes Genesis) complained about how unrealistic the Gilgamesh story is. I got a perverse sort of enjoyment out of that.
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Christianity? And evolution? Together? Burn the heretic! *rolls eyes*
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It isn't working (as far as the whole "one supposedly liberal rally is all liberal rallies" thing), it's polarizing people, alienating people who would otherwise be "liberals," and I don't know about you, but I'm seeing a reactionary lash-back building up that's going to explode in the very near future and it kinda scares me.
I subscribe to the HRC newsletter (pro-gay-rights organization) and used to care, you know, but they've gradually disgusted me with their political agenda that I just don't care about them anymore.
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By adhering to this literalist approach, they stop other people taking the bible seriously.
My added complaint: how come the plants and trees were made on the third day, when the sun itself wasn't even made (according to Genesis) until the 4th day?
The danger is that this kind of christianity ends up down a cultural cul-de-sac, a dead end anti-intellectual head-in-sand community that sees the world as hostile and a threat to their myths.
And Noah's Ark? I mean, give me a break...
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Scientists actively attack any belief that cannot be validated through scientific methodologies. They do this because science has become their religion, and non-scientific forms of learning are heretical. Thus the stereotype of the scientist righteously cruisading for truth and an end to "ignorance", which is defined as anything that goes against the scriptures of science. Scientists have become the new missionaries. The origin of the species is like the book of John.
Ironically, scientists are good examples of what they seek to destroy. The scary thing is that they are much more effective at stamping out other forms of thought than other religions.
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Yes, because the more extreme Christians insist on making it a battle to the death. They need the feeling of persecution in order to add some spice to their life. Believe it or not, most scientists would be content to let people have their own beliefs and be done with it. They are not out to stomp out religion (most of them, anyways), and science hasn't become a religion... what are you thinking ( ... )
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And they're morons. Anyone who takes creation myths literally has issues. And yes, their vehement homosexual bigotry is nauseating.
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