Стенограмма Нюрнбергского процесса. Том XV.
ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTIETH DAY
Saturday, 8 June 1946
DR. STAHMER: Do you still remember whether you attended the situation discussion of 27 January 1945, at which the fate of the 10,000 air force officers imprisoned in the Sagan Camp was discussed?
BÜCHS: I can remember something like this: Fegelein must have raised the question of evacuating that camp on the approach of the Russian troops. These captured officers were asked whether they wished to remain in the camp and be handed over to the Russian Army, or whether they wanted to be taken away in the course of the evacuation of Silesia. As far as I remember, they definitely decided on the latter alternative-that is to say, to be taken away; and I believe that the only question still to be decided was how their transport was to be arranged.
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MR. ROBERTS: … I just ask on one other matter: In April of 1945 did Fegelein attain the status of Hitler's brother-in-law, when Hitler got married?
BÜCHS: Yes.
MR. ROBERTS: And two days afterwards, was Fegelein shot on the orders of his new-found brother-in-law?
BÜCHS: Yes.
MR. ROBERTS! That is all.
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DR. JAHRREISS: Witness, considering that you had perhaps more insight into the activities of the Armed Forces Operations Staff than anyone else, I should like you to tell us here what you know of the range of General Jodl's activities.
SCHRAMM: It is impossible to overestimate the range of the General's activities. As proof of this, I may say that in 1944 alone, according to information which I received from a competent officer, 60,000 teleprint messages went through the teleprint department of the Armed Forces Operations Staff. There was also a large courier correspondence which, of course, was even larger. Then there was internal correspondence between individual departments. The bulk of that correspondence appeared on the General's desk at some time or other. To look at it from another angle, the General was responsible for four theaters of war: North Finland and Norway; West Holland, Belgium, France; then the Southwest, in the first place Africa and Italy; and then the Southeast. It was the General's task not only to have up-to-date information based on incoming reports, but also to act as operational adviser to the Führer.
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DR. JAHRREISS : ... Witness, it is possible in military life for an officer to receive an order with which he does not agree, is it not?
WINTER: Yes.
DR. JAHRREISS: In that case, is it possible for him to put his divergent opinion on record?
WINTER: In the German Anny, if I remember rightly, such a possibility existed from the time of Moltke. An order from Hitler which came out in 1938-I think, in winter 1938-39-removed such a possibility once and for all. An order was issued at the time prohibiting even chiefs of general staffs and command authorities from putting their divergent opinions on record.
DR. JAHRREISS: In order to avoid creating difficulties for the interpretation, will you please explain the word "Aktenkundig"?
WINTER: According to that it was not possible to include in the official files or in the war diaries of events kept by command staffs any comments to the effect that the chief was not in agreement with the decision or order of his superior.
DR. JAHRREISS : It was canceled?
WINTER: These possibilities existed previously, but since 1938 they no longer existed as they were done away with.
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THE TRIBUNAL (Mr.Biddle): What measures did you take against the resistance of the population?
WINTER: During the entire campaign in which Army Group South was involved, there was no resistance by the population in the operational zone in the Ukraine. Only in rear areas were there fights, at that time, with struggling Russian troop units. A resistance on the part of the population did not occur-as far as I know-until later when the operational zone had already been limited in the rear, and then there was resistance against political Reich commissioners.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Very well. You were not there at that time?
WINTER: The command to which I belonged was withdrawn from the front at the end of January, or in the early days of February 1943. The rear area, lines were at the Dnieper at that time.
Saturday, 8 June 1946
DR. STAHMER: Do you still remember whether you attended the situation discussion of 27 January 1945, at which the fate of the 10,000 air force officers imprisoned in the Sagan Camp was discussed?
BÜCHS: I can remember something like this: Fegelein must have raised the question of evacuating that camp on the approach of the Russian troops. These captured officers were asked whether they wished to remain in the camp and be handed over to the Russian Army, or whether they wanted to be taken away in the course of the evacuation of Silesia. As far as I remember, they definitely decided on the latter alternative-that is to say, to be taken away; and I believe that the only question still to be decided was how their transport was to be arranged.
…
MR. ROBERTS: … I just ask on one other matter: In April of 1945 did Fegelein attain the status of Hitler's brother-in-law, when Hitler got married?
BÜCHS: Yes.
MR. ROBERTS: And two days afterwards, was Fegelein shot on the orders of his new-found brother-in-law?
BÜCHS: Yes.
MR. ROBERTS! That is all.
…
DR. JAHRREISS: Witness, considering that you had perhaps more insight into the activities of the Armed Forces Operations Staff than anyone else, I should like you to tell us here what you know of the range of General Jodl's activities.
SCHRAMM: It is impossible to overestimate the range of the General's activities. As proof of this, I may say that in 1944 alone, according to information which I received from a competent officer, 60,000 teleprint messages went through the teleprint department of the Armed Forces Operations Staff. There was also a large courier correspondence which, of course, was even larger. Then there was internal correspondence between individual departments. The bulk of that correspondence appeared on the General's desk at some time or other. To look at it from another angle, the General was responsible for four theaters of war: North Finland and Norway; West Holland, Belgium, France; then the Southwest, in the first place Africa and Italy; and then the Southeast. It was the General's task not only to have up-to-date information based on incoming reports, but also to act as operational adviser to the Führer.
…
DR. JAHRREISS : ... Witness, it is possible in military life for an officer to receive an order with which he does not agree, is it not?
WINTER: Yes.
DR. JAHRREISS: In that case, is it possible for him to put his divergent opinion on record?
WINTER: In the German Anny, if I remember rightly, such a possibility existed from the time of Moltke. An order from Hitler which came out in 1938-I think, in winter 1938-39-removed such a possibility once and for all. An order was issued at the time prohibiting even chiefs of general staffs and command authorities from putting their divergent opinions on record.
DR. JAHRREISS: In order to avoid creating difficulties for the interpretation, will you please explain the word "Aktenkundig"?
WINTER: According to that it was not possible to include in the official files or in the war diaries of events kept by command staffs any comments to the effect that the chief was not in agreement with the decision or order of his superior.
DR. JAHRREISS : It was canceled?
WINTER: These possibilities existed previously, but since 1938 they no longer existed as they were done away with.
…
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr.Biddle): What measures did you take against the resistance of the population?
WINTER: During the entire campaign in which Army Group South was involved, there was no resistance by the population in the operational zone in the Ukraine. Only in rear areas were there fights, at that time, with struggling Russian troop units. A resistance on the part of the population did not occur-as far as I know-until later when the operational zone had already been limited in the rear, and then there was resistance against political Reich commissioners.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Very well. You were not there at that time?
WINTER: The command to which I belonged was withdrawn from the front at the end of January, or in the early days of February 1943. The rear area, lines were at the Dnieper at that time.