sex! Sex! SEX!
Okaaaaayyy...
So we're all adults, near as we can figure. So we all are legally entitled to read/write whateverwhatever. So we all play gods, freaky as they come (oh, no pun intended--wait. I can't lie.).
But uh.
Yeaaah.
In the past, a few of you have been all, "What's allowed?" and all that. The standard answer is, basically, fade to black ( Read more... )
So we're all adults, near as we can figure. So we all are legally entitled to read/write whateverwhatever. So we all play gods, freaky as they come (oh, no pun intended--wait. I can't lie.).
But uh.
Yeaaah.
In the past, a few of you have been all, "What's allowed?" and all that. The standard answer is, basically, fade to black ( Read more... )
Now. With all that said, DDC is not a sex community. If your storyline (yes, plot, here, key word, PLOT) involves a little freakynastyfreaking, go for it.
Not to be a pain, but um... who decides what is 'plot', what is 'fun' and what isn't? Because, I can't speak for everyone, but I have to say, I make stuff up as I go along. If it happens, it happens. Or I'll be up at four in the morning and funny things appear. Who knows? But whatever. The point is, I don't think it's entirely fair for a mod to decide what IS and what is NOT a plot point. Having to justify is lame and reeks of stupidity.
So play, but remember: everything in moderation.
Having gone back and searched tags... the most recent sex threads (minus the ones that totally aren't being singled/called out in this post) were all done a while back, but graphically. So, I think it HAS been in moderation. I think this post was a bit premature and definitely a bit harsh.
And since this ISN'T a communist state, I am so grateful to be able to say all of this without the fear of reprisal or backlash :)
~ Mo
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I think we've all been there. Of course, at that point, if something's in question, it's pretty easy to move something to a character journal. I mean, come on, Mo, the vast majority of post links you've sent me to read have been in character journals... what's the big deal?
The point is, I don't think it's entirely fair for a mod to decide what IS and what is NOT a plot point. Having to justify is lame and reeks of stupidity.
Now see, this is something that's very interesting to me, and very telling about the difference of origin of players. First of all Mo, come on now. Ease up. "Lame and reeks of stupidity?" We can try for a little better diplomacy than that. Instead of getting personal, think about this in terms of where each individual is coming from. I am a roleplayer. I've been roleplaying since 1996 - well before if you count watching D&D sessions between my uncles and mom in my grandparents' basement as a kid (oh yeah - the GeekForce is strong in this one... genetically!!). Generally in tabletop, Live Action (LARP), IRC chat, and even play by post, most roleplaying systems require a "mod" (though generally referred to as a DM (dungeon master), GM (game master), or ST (storyteller, for ladidah goff vampire connoiseurs such as myself, HA!). It's essential to game play. It keeps story flowing in the right direction, it prevents out and out wars between players, and it keeps everything generally copacetic. I'm well aware that many players here may not be experienced with that kind of roleplay, and are, in fact, more accustomed to a style that can better be described as collaborative writing.
Deities tries to straddle both realms (if you'll pardon the pun).
As such, while clearly accomodations have been made (some of which have honestly boggled my mind as a 'tabletop-LARP' kind of player) to support players' freedoms and to allow them to take story where they want it to, at the same time, there is that root element of old-school roleplay in here. I think the combination of the two genres makes Deities a better place overall. (I also think that referring to the philosophy of one of those genres as being "lame and reeking of stupidity" is insulting in the extreme, and I wish we didn't have to go there.)
And since this ISN'T a communist state, I am so grateful to be able to say all of this without the fear of reprisal or backlash
I don't understand what you mean by that. Why wouldn't you be able to say all of this?
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Well, that's a little unfair, Linda. :) My big deity character isn't ALLOWED in DDC, remember? All her stuff with those that ARE in DDC HAS to be in other journals.
most roleplaying systems require a "mod" (though generally referred to as a DM (dungeon master), GM (game master), or ST (storyteller, for ladidah goff vampire connoiseurs such as myself, HA!)
I wasn't under the impression that THIS was that kind of game. Because, and no offense Fae, nothing in here has EVER been done in that manner. Uh... ever, in the time that I've been here. Fae isn't that kind of mod. So, being THAT kind of mod and just one that makes sure that OOC we don't kill each other, are two different things.
As for my 'lame and reeks of stupidity' comment. Let me put it in another context.
Ares/Hermes. So it doesn't fit in a plot RIGHT THIS SECOND. But who knows WHERE it'll come in handy down the road? Or even what it'll develop into from here? So, if say... they had to justify it and Fae didn't agree, deleted a thread (a future thread, maybe), I would say that that was stupid. AND lame. Because that's not RP, that would be The Mod's Game and the Things and Only the Things She Wants To See Happen1. And if that's the kind of RP we're going to go into, then I want CLEARLY defined plots (which I was told we don't do here - no scripts) and I want to ELECT a GM/ST. It's only fair.
I don't understand what you mean by that. Why wouldn't you be able to say all of this?
Oh... because the last time someone said something in Pantheon, it caused a brouhahahahahahahaha.
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But my point is that logisitically speaking, it's no more difficult to run game in a character journal than it is in community. So long as there are links, with warnings, I don't see why it should be such a hardship to do it that way.
I wasn't under the impression that THIS was that kind of game. Because, and no offense Fae, nothing in here has EVER been done in that manner. Uh... ever, in the time that I've been here. Fae isn't that kind of mod. So, being THAT kind of mod and just one that makes sure that OOC we don't kill each other, are two different things.
It's true that the rules for storylines have always been fast and loose here - but what you're talking about is very different than what I'm talking about, Mo. If for some reason, the mods decide that the seX0rs aren't storyline relevant enough to happen in the community, and delete a post, there's nothing stopping those players from doing the post in a character journal, and still playing off it as though it happened - because it did happen. All the freaknasty business that's occurred in character journal posts between Nyx and Erebos is integrated into Nyx's character, and has been referred to both subtly and blatantly in DDC roleplay. That doesn't mean that everybody had to see him doing her doggie style on the balcony of a French nobleman. (Even though it was really hot. :grin:)
I'm pretty sure that nobody here wants to be responsible for running all the storylines.
Oh... because the last time someone said something in Pantheon, it caused a brouhahahahahahahaha.
Ok...
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Then every single bit of gettin' nekkid should be done that way. Period. Just to be fair. So I don't have to skim stuff.
If for some reason, the mods decide that the seX0rs aren't storyline relevant enough to happen in the community, and delete a post, there's nothing stopping those players from doing the post in a character journal, and still playing off it as though it happened - because it did happen.
Are you serious? So... people get say... 12 comments into a post. The MOD comes on, decides by fiat that its irrelevant and *poof* its gone.
Now, they're supposed to go play out in a personal journal, THAT SAME SCENE?!
I threatened to delete a comment by an intruding character once and you wouldn't BELIEVE the backlash. For even THINKING about it. Even after I'd talked to THEM about it first and they 'pissed and moaned'... to a mod. If I (or anyone) had to go and replay 12 comments of this '23452342 paragraph per post' BS? I'd. Be. Pissed.
Especially if the post didn't even start off that way. Oh, please. I can see that happening. To CERTAIN CHARACTERS. You'll have to forgive me, but I know exactly who that'd happen to. And who it wouldn't.
That doesn't mean that everybody had to see him doing her doggie style on the balcony of a French nobleman. (Even though it was really hot. :grin:)
Yeah, see... I'm sure it was. But DDC? Not needed... along with any of it. Hence the summary threads in Pantheon. :) Ya know?
I'm pretty sure that nobody here wants to be responsible for running all the storylines.
Maybe not, but it sure seems that way to me.
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I have no problem with that whatsoever, honestly.
Are you serious? So... people get say... 12 comments into a post. The MOD comes on, decides by fiat that its irrelevant and *poof* its gone.
Now, they're supposed to go play out in a personal journal, THAT SAME SCENE?!
All right, I'll grant you, I hadn't thought of all that. I think your earlier suggestion of all nekkidtude (and graphic violence, if people like) going into character journals (with links or whatever, probably clearly marked "DDC" or whatever) would resolve that issue nicely. Because replaying a scene would blow. Although conceivably, the mods could alert the players to the impending deletion, giving them opportunity to c&p as appropriate.
Yeah, see... I'm sure it was. But DDC? Not needed... along with any of it. Hence the summary threads in Pantheon. :) Ya know?
Agreed! 200% I like to keep it in the character journals... it's like my momma always told me - "Be a whore in the bedroom and a lady everywhere else." HA!
Maybe not, but it sure seems that way to me.
I think it's more of an issue of trying to keep things copacetic than anything else. Some of us here are used to heavy, heavy structure, and the lack of it makes us freak out a little bit. Some of us here are used to no structure at all, with free reign to do it the way we like, and the imposition of it makes us freak out a bit. And freaking out is fine. But communicating about it and coming to a level of mutual understanding is what's important, when it boils down to it.
Honestly, Mo, from reading this post, it doesn't seem to me that we even disagree all that much on the principles of what we're talking about. It's all about the way things get said, though.
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Personally? I'm sick and tired of people being called out in Pantheon. Seriously. This could have all been done without:
I guarantee you that some players (oh yes, plural!) here are NOT comfortable with the recent sex posts. Hey, fine, all right, to each their own. Live and let live and all that. But there's also the matter of respect.
And:
1) If you're gonna do it, use protection! and
2) If you're gonna cum, warn a girl first!
I mean, really. If people are gonna be upset with cock and whatever, and then someone's gonna say 'cum' in a redirected post from DDC, it kind of defeats the purpose. This isn't supposed to be a cutesy new rule, but something supposedly very serious.
And the people involved in the threads in question? Took it very seriously.
I don't think that naming names/characters/threads and the like is EVER good practice. It creates a divided forum and people feel picked on. And those that are too timid to speak up? Don't. Then they feel resentful and get increasingly nasty.
Like MY Mom always said: It's not what you say. It's how you say it.
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The word "cum" grosses me out. It always has.
I agree that naming names/characters/threads and the like is a bad idea. But then again, I didn't see that in the original post... though you did call me out by name. Which did, in fact, make me feel kinda picked on, to be honest with you, Mo. But I'm not concerned, because you know that I'll say something if I feel a certain way. But what about other people, whose characters might not have been mentioned by name, but who went to the mod because of concerns they have, and then are being referred to as "pissing and moaning" or what have you? Aren't they too timid to speak up, too? And might not they feel resentful?
I agree - it's not what you say, it's how you say it. But Mo, seriously, I feel like you're coming off on the offensive here - and not only to the person that you're beefing with. Know what I'm saying?
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You didn't see that in the original post? I guarantee you that some players (oh yes, plural!) here are NOT comfortable with the recent sex posts.
Two things wrong with this sentence, in my opinion:
1) 'Recent sex posts'. Which may as well have said, Ares/Hermes and Cupid/Anteros/Pothos.
2) 'Oh yes, plural'. Which, to me, says: Oh yes, more than one person here thinks ya'll are nasty bishes.
How I would have said it is, "It's come to the mods attentions that a touchy subject has been raised. (AND THEN AN LJ CUT!) Sex scenes should possible be... ------> yadda.
Why does this make a difference? Everyone would probably GUESS that it was brought up because of the recent posts, but I'd guess also that it had been at the back of people's minds and this only blew the door open. However, specifically saying, "WELL YA'LL MESSED IT UP FOR EVERYONE" is a bit harsh.
I feel like you're coming off on the offensive here - and not only to the person that you're beefing with.
I'm not 'beefing' with anyone. I'm just saying that it is standard practice in this community to go no-holds-barred in every aspect. And if you're gonna cut it off a little, cut it off all the way. If you're gonna allow it, allow it all. And truth be told? I really don't care either way. Skimming works for me.
But the no-holds-barred approach OOC just REALLY. PISSES. ME. OFF. Every single time. It's the one thing in RP that just really grates. Maybe because I WOULD talk to someone OOC first. I don't know.
But I think that if I'm RPing something of this nature, that people aren't timid. If they are? I'd say they're in the wrong game. *shrugs* And here I go being harsh.
I should probably stop now. Off to the doc for x-rays.
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Two things wrong with this sentence, in my opinion:
1) 'Recent sex posts'. Which may as well have said, Ares/Hermes and Cupid/Anteros/Pothos.
2) 'Oh yes, plural'. Which, to me, says: Oh yes, more than one person here thinks ya'll are nasty bishes.
Mo, I think you're being a little hyperdefensive. The fact is that the term "recent sex posts" could easily include the Hera/Erebos/Nyx post to which you referred in a previous reply. I know that you're gonna already be on guard because of past experiences, but seriously. Come on now. How the hell is anybody supposed to preface anything without anybody feeling singled out? Names were not named - I presume that that's because names are not the issue.
Look at everything you're reading into ... more than one person here thinks y'all are nasty bishes? As one of the people who thinks that sex shouldn't be in the community, I take offense to that. Come effing on now. you KNOW I friggin love pr0n. We've compared pr0n notes. I just think there's a time and a place for everything. Who's to say that others don't think the way I do? Seems like a more charitable assumption to make than namecalling.
How I would have said it is, "It's come to the mods attentions that a touchy subject has been raised. (AND THEN AN LJ CUT!) Sex scenes should possible be... ------> yadda.
That's all well and good, but seriously? I think you're taking way more offense than is warranted here, Mo. Seriously. It's like you're saying that nobody's allowed to have any issue with anything that you or anyone you like might have ever even considered doing in RP - no matter how delicately handled, no matter how much diplomacy is used, no matter how general the language, no matter how many other people may have done the exact same thing and could be included in the category of "Person Who Does X" - even if there's a larger issue being discussed, regardless of whether or not anyone should have the right to say what he or she feels. And to me, that's pretty messed up.
I'm not 'beefing' with anyone.
Mo. You've spent two threads solely on beef. You're beefing. You're beefing with this post, you're beefing with the mods, you're beefing with me, you're beefing with anybody who has anything to say that doesn't agree with what you have to say. It's like a meat locker up in here.
But the no-holds-barred approach OOC just REALLY. PISSES. ME. OFF. Every single time. It's the one thing in RP that just really grates.
Mo, this is so not no-holds-barred. Soooooooo not. I've played in places where people would say straight up to your face that you're a fucked up roleplayer and you suck, and you should go the fuck home and cry to your mommy about it. In a public forum. Sent out to the whole playing community. I've played in places where people would smile in your face while they were simultaneously planning to stab you in the back six ways to Sunday. Nobody's trying to victimize anyone here. Nobody's out to get anyone here. Nobody wants anybody to feel bad, or not have a good time, or be mad here.
But seriously, how the hell are we supposed to have a productive conversation about game mechanics if we're only allowed to talk in vague terms and euphemisms?
Maybe because I WOULD talk to someone OOC first. I don't know.
I respect that. But not everyone has that courage, Mo.
But I think that if I'm RPing something of this nature, that people aren't timid. If they are? I'd say they're in the wrong game. *shrugs* And here I go being harsh.
I don't understand. Like, two comments ago you were defending the timid, trying to ensure that they didn't have to be afraid to speak, and weren't being bullied... now they can go the hell home if they don't like it? I don't get it.
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That'd be like me saying you were oversensitive. I prefer it as kinda calling BS where I see it. The truth is, and you know it, that no one was referring to the Nyx/Erebos/Hera thread. Come on.
And to me, that's pretty messed up.
This whole paragraph... I'm just saying there are delicate ways to handle it. My entire 'OMGIMSOOFFENDED' or whatever can be boiled down to two things:
1) If rules are to be implemented/changed, they should be across the board and apply to everyone/thing. (Like the sex and you agreed 200%)
2) Making it painfully clear, even without naming names, who is 'in trouble' so to speak, is wrong.
That's all. *shrugs*
If that means I'm 'beefing' with someone, oh well.
And if what happened previously in Pantheon re: Kate and EJ wasn't no-holds-barred? Ooooh, boy. Because I was fairly certain that that WAS what was said.
I don't understand. Like, two comments ago you were defending the timid, trying to ensure that they didn't have to be afraid to speak, and weren't being bullied... now they can go the hell home if they don't like it? I don't get it.
I didn't say that at all. All I said was, considering the nature of this particular RP... being timid would be a bit of a shock to me.
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LOL!
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