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Crazy fangirl Shikalee strikes again.
Shikalee: (after her ninjafy-esque application)
You're going to give me a character I don't agree with. I know it.
I know how random and neurotic this sounds, but it sounds like you're begging to be Shikamaru's wife in your post. He's not his dad. They don't have the same taste in women, just to let you know. (Yes, I'm paranoid.)
Me: (Keep in mind I made this decision based solely on her application, not on my personal hatred for her retardation.)
Young Kakashi.
I really... don't think you understand this. I don't like Shikamaru at all. I don't care about his character, or his relationship with Temari or Asuma. I like Ino the best out of their team. In fact, my favorite characters are Jiraiya and Yamato, so if I were gonna go all drooly and weird over any Naruto character, it would be one of them.
Shikalee: Cool! I got Kakashi!
No, but seriously. How'd you decide that? You didn't read all that and compare it to something, or did you just guess?
Then what is with it? You HAVE to be him. Just have to... Just make it clear. I know it's immature of me but what the hell is it. This whole thing brings out the nasty in me.
Me: [[Insert answer]]
I don't know what's "with it". I dislike getting rated Shikamaru, why would I bother lying about my answers to get him? It's the internet, I'm not taking it that seriously.
Shikalee: That's only because you don't like me. That's very biased. [[Insert a biography about herself and how she's like Shikamaru]]
Me: If I had rated your application on the bias I have towards you, I would not have given you Kakashi. [[My brain says: LOLZ KONOHAMARU YOU'RE SO ANNOYYYYIYIIYIING]]
Shikalee in a different topic: (In response to me getting Shikamaru on a quiz)
By the way, Captain Verd, you're joking, right?
You did not HONESTLY answer Shikamaru 100%... And then you told us not to cheat.
I know this because you act NOTHING like him. >.>; Plus, not even he is truly as obnoxious as those questions.
Me: Unfortunately, my results aren't fudged. I've gotten Shikamaru on every character test I've taken despite my efforts. Personally I think Shikamaru's a big whiner, so getting him is really annoying for me.
I've even taken it so far as filling out the forms that are scored by random, yet non-computer people. I still get Shikamaru. I think I'll just start writing -dattebayo after everything, just to see what happens.
Also, as Liz said and I pointed out in the first post, getting Shikamaru is very easy.
Shikalee: I don't belieeeve you. D:
Okay, maybe it is true. But it must be something in your subconcious. You're nothing like him, or else I'd be on you like Chouji on cake. ]:
Such thought process hardly even relates to him... My diagnosis is that the tests aren't close enough to him. I want to make a quiz. Through. He'd be hard to get. Because he isn't like EVERYONE. Notice how a significant amount of users have him in their sig? It's not right. His personality type is not typical.
Analytical personality; to an obsessive level, is not common. He may not gab on about it, but he definately does such. Not intentionally, either. What I've also noticed about him is that he is very independent, yet has a low self-esteem; a rare combination. With this he has anxiety; something a good third of us suffer with; NOT HALF. >_> He also is far more relaxed. So, he suffers from anxiety, yet is a relaxed person. That is not common. He also struggles with sexual issues. Obviously. He can't stand girls, but he's not gay, either. Most of us understand our place in our own sex lives. Most of us, mind you. On top of this, he is very certain he is manly. Or strives to be so. He aspires to be strong, responsible, yet he's recessive and passive (not in the same way as Hinata). His whole life is pretty hypocritical when really looked at. But he manages NOT to contradict himself. He's an enigma. MOST people are not. I've also determined he has allergies (random factoid). His behavior indicates that he is not typical, yet so many people say they are like him. Getting him on a quiz doesn't make you, or me, or anyone else like him. (What makes me think that I am like him is that I match everything I mentioned, and more.)
I have evidence for all my claims, by the way... Unfortunately it's all paraphrasing and a couple things are explainations for behavior. I'm certain it would not make sense to you, or anyone else here, unless you saw the world as I do.
I mean, come on. "I'm too lazy to put in all the options"? You are such a Shikatard! Admit it!
He wouldn't even say that. First of all, as we've noticed, Shikamaru never leaves a job undone; if he can. He gives it his all. He's lazy when he's off duty. He refuses to do things that seem pointless to him. So if you were like him... you wouldn't post the way you do. >.>;;
I however, am constantly building my matrix. It's all a mindgame for me... In this way, I am not like him. I try to train my brain. His is just magically perfect.
Edit: I don't wanna argue with you, because I like you. :) Let's keep this polite and make it a debate! Let's both not jump to conclusions.
A Shikatard is a person who wants to be just like Shikamaru so bad that they lie to look like him, or are unaware or who he really is, and pretend to be like the stereotypical views of him. They also put on a Shikamaru face; walk around like they're him. I know most of them don't stalk him as much as I have. So I'm always on critique. They hate me for it because I catch their mistakes, they get pissed off and break character. The assholes they truly are break out.
I'm not really calling you that, but... well, maybe I did. Minus the asshole part; you're not an asshole. Nor are you stupid. You're smart. Quite bright, actually. But you're no genius. I don't think there are any geniuses here, including myself... Genius is such a big word, y'know?
Though people say I'm excelling, above average. If I was, I wouldn't be such a slacker. People like Shikamaru only exist in faerie tales.
Me: I don't think you understand. I know I'm nothing like Shikamaru. I would punch myself in the face if I were like Shikamaru.
However, I was too lazy to put in all the options, and I didn't fudge my answers. You said yourself that too many people get Shikamaru, so quiz makers must not understand his personality. If that's the case, me getting Shikamaru doesn't have to mean I'm 100% like him.
I don't think he suffers from anxiety, he just plans very very well. Considering how smart he is, it would make sense for him to solve problems and find solutions quickly enough not to have to worry about it alot.
Just because he finds women annoying doesn't mean he has sexual issues. Alot of guys I know think chicks are the biggest drags, but they'd ditch the boys to hang out with their girlfriends on the weekends. It's like saying "My wife's a huge bitch", but still kissing her when you come home.
Shikalee: Heh... sometimes I feel like it. Look, being a, "smart person lol" SUCKS BALLS. Everyone should be glad they're NORMAL. My head NEVER shuts up.
Exactly. That was my point. >.>
No, no. He does. My proof is:
1. He fidgets. Often. It's a nervous behavior.
2. He panics. He always does, but he manages to keep his cool.
3. He brushes EVERYTHING off, because it bothers him.
4. He sleeps WAY too much. For me, anyway, it's an escape.
Anxiety is not just worry. It is fear and, as is the root word, anxiousness. It is also just a nervous condition. Trust me, I know.
You're confused. I wasn't talking about sex. The better word would have been, "gender complex." The household he was raised in brought it on him. Dominating mother, recessive father in denial; Shikamaru took on that outlook. It is scientifically proven that we take on our parents to an at least subconcious level, which is where a lot of unexplained behavior comes from. He has NO reason to HATE girls besides his mother's behavior. "Drag" was the word used in the English version, and it's definition is rather different than the Japanese, "Mendokusee" which by definition doesn't even quite mean troublesome. It's hard to explain in English. You're saying it like he's a romantic; Shikamaru doesn't understand girls: AT ALL. That is what I ment when I said he had sexual issues. I don't mean he masturbates to man porn. I mean he's totally gender fucked up. He thinks he's such a manly man, or wants to be one. It's his little twisted dream. Though he understands when the coming of age his. My point is that his problems have always been ignored; and not even acknowledged by fans, because clearly, they just plain don't get it.
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Heh... sometimes I feel like it. Look, being a, "smart person lol" SUCKS BALLS. Everyone should be glad they're NORMAL. My head NEVER shuts up. [/quote]
Are you perhaps suggesting I'm not as smart as you are?
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Exactly. That was my point. >.> [/quote]
So why do you think I'm lying about this?
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2. He panics. He always does, but he manages to keep his cool. [/quote]
Techincally, when you're panicking you're not keeping your cool.
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4. He sleeps WAY too much. For me, anyway, it's an escape. [/quote]
I sleep alot because I'm bored. My brother sleeps in almost every class because he's actually tired, not because it's some kind of escape.
I understand what the word means. What I don't understand is how wanting to be a 'manly man' gives him a gender complex.
Consider also, he's probably been around Ino alot since they were little.
I forgot to mention:
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People like Shikamaru only exist in faerie tales [/quote]
Have you ever met people who sleep through/skip classes, get the tests and figure out the equations while they're taking them?
Shikalee: Yes, actually. I don't believe them, but tests, people, and actions tell me I am highly exceeding in things such as math, memorization, observation, strategical thinking. You're probably smarter than me in other ways, but you're probably not as big of a thinker as me, either. Not many kids take college level TOK and Phycology.
I thought you were saying that the test made you like him. It was a missconception on my part. Sorry.
Not necessarily. Such technicalities are irrlevant; this isn't about semantics. Panicking is a state of mind, not body. It reaches the body, that is called anxiety. It does not have to reach the body, and make a person lose their control.
Because you're Shikamaru, right? Shikamaru isn't tired. Trust me. Nor is he bored. Not anymore, anyway. Back then, yes. So maybe you are right; he sleeps less, now. So maybe he was bored. OOH. Proved one wrong.
Fine. So you ignore the rest of the arguement? That's the part I don't get. You take out the one part you can pick at. What about the rest? The stuff that matters?
That has nothing to do with Shikamaru. One thing? Please. Not one thing makes people like him. People who skip classes are usually morons. He doesn't skip classes. His attendence is actually perfect; dispite the fact he sleeps through classes. It was Naruto who would ditch, and, back then, he was an idiot. Also, I don't get what you're trying to say, but I always finish tests in 5, 10 minutes tops, and then sleep through the rest of it. I am the only person in my grade who does that. My teachers consider it very strange.
I hate to snap at you, but I feel a need to say this: stop trying to mold him to be more like you. He is what he is. Just pick someone else you're like...
Me:Being as judgemental as you are leads me to believe you don't think as much as you say.
I'm picking out the things I can debate. Some things are based on opinion, and anything I say won't change your mind. The things I reply to I feel are the strongest points of your arguement. Anything else I don't find suitable to discuss.
I wasn't talking about you. Plenty of people do that though.
You keep telling me how smart you are, but can't seem to get the idea of me NOT LIKING SHIKAMARU through your head. I couldn't care less if he crossdressed and went to discos every saturday.
Shikalee:You're wrong. There is no doubt you are a very smart girl. But I'm different. Not autistic, but different in a similar manner. You're not getting it. It's my brain.
Well, you were wrong. The strongest part of my arguement was his mother's influence. So I think.
That's just a comeback. There's no proof, no credibility...
No, you're wrong. I never said I was so smart. I say, I think I'm smart. I know nothing. I also say I'm a thinker. But you obviously have a clear attachment to him. That's why you bother to argue about him weeks on end. I am CLEARLY attached to him. You denying it is almost ridiculous. Unless you just like arguing.
Edit: Sorry for saying wrong so many times. I just can't think of another word. I think it's a bit too stand-offish.
Me:I have no doubt his mother influenced him into hating women. That doesn't mean she's the only one. That's why I mentioned Ino. So you see, I didn't really ignore that part at all.
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT SHIKAMARU. When I came into the debate thread, you were all talking about Shikamaru. The last two tests, I got Shikamaru. That's the only reason. It's not like I bring him up at parties or some shit.
PS - DID I MENTION SHE'S MAKING A DOUJIN ABOUT AN OC NAMED HIKAUR WHO IS HIRED BY BAD GUYS TO KILL NARUTO BUT MISTAKES HIM FOR SHIKAMARU? LOLOLOLOLOLOLZ
Shikalee: (after her ninjafy-esque application)
You're going to give me a character I don't agree with. I know it.
I know how random and neurotic this sounds, but it sounds like you're begging to be Shikamaru's wife in your post. He's not his dad. They don't have the same taste in women, just to let you know. (Yes, I'm paranoid.)
Me: (Keep in mind I made this decision based solely on her application, not on my personal hatred for her retardation.)
Young Kakashi.
I really... don't think you understand this. I don't like Shikamaru at all. I don't care about his character, or his relationship with Temari or Asuma. I like Ino the best out of their team. In fact, my favorite characters are Jiraiya and Yamato, so if I were gonna go all drooly and weird over any Naruto character, it would be one of them.
Shikalee: Cool! I got Kakashi!
No, but seriously. How'd you decide that? You didn't read all that and compare it to something, or did you just guess?
Then what is with it? You HAVE to be him. Just have to... Just make it clear. I know it's immature of me but what the hell is it. This whole thing brings out the nasty in me.
Me: [[Insert answer]]
I don't know what's "with it". I dislike getting rated Shikamaru, why would I bother lying about my answers to get him? It's the internet, I'm not taking it that seriously.
Shikalee: That's only because you don't like me. That's very biased. [[Insert a biography about herself and how she's like Shikamaru]]
Me: If I had rated your application on the bias I have towards you, I would not have given you Kakashi. [[My brain says: LOLZ KONOHAMARU YOU'RE SO ANNOYYYYIYIIYIING]]
Shikalee in a different topic: (In response to me getting Shikamaru on a quiz)
By the way, Captain Verd, you're joking, right?
You did not HONESTLY answer Shikamaru 100%... And then you told us not to cheat.
I know this because you act NOTHING like him. >.>; Plus, not even he is truly as obnoxious as those questions.
Me: Unfortunately, my results aren't fudged. I've gotten Shikamaru on every character test I've taken despite my efforts. Personally I think Shikamaru's a big whiner, so getting him is really annoying for me.
I've even taken it so far as filling out the forms that are scored by random, yet non-computer people. I still get Shikamaru. I think I'll just start writing -dattebayo after everything, just to see what happens.
Also, as Liz said and I pointed out in the first post, getting Shikamaru is very easy.
Shikalee: I don't belieeeve you. D:
Okay, maybe it is true. But it must be something in your subconcious. You're nothing like him, or else I'd be on you like Chouji on cake. ]:
Such thought process hardly even relates to him... My diagnosis is that the tests aren't close enough to him. I want to make a quiz. Through. He'd be hard to get. Because he isn't like EVERYONE. Notice how a significant amount of users have him in their sig? It's not right. His personality type is not typical.
Analytical personality; to an obsessive level, is not common. He may not gab on about it, but he definately does such. Not intentionally, either. What I've also noticed about him is that he is very independent, yet has a low self-esteem; a rare combination. With this he has anxiety; something a good third of us suffer with; NOT HALF. >_> He also is far more relaxed. So, he suffers from anxiety, yet is a relaxed person. That is not common. He also struggles with sexual issues. Obviously. He can't stand girls, but he's not gay, either. Most of us understand our place in our own sex lives. Most of us, mind you. On top of this, he is very certain he is manly. Or strives to be so. He aspires to be strong, responsible, yet he's recessive and passive (not in the same way as Hinata). His whole life is pretty hypocritical when really looked at. But he manages NOT to contradict himself. He's an enigma. MOST people are not. I've also determined he has allergies (random factoid). His behavior indicates that he is not typical, yet so many people say they are like him. Getting him on a quiz doesn't make you, or me, or anyone else like him. (What makes me think that I am like him is that I match everything I mentioned, and more.)
I have evidence for all my claims, by the way... Unfortunately it's all paraphrasing and a couple things are explainations for behavior. I'm certain it would not make sense to you, or anyone else here, unless you saw the world as I do.
I mean, come on. "I'm too lazy to put in all the options"? You are such a Shikatard! Admit it!
He wouldn't even say that. First of all, as we've noticed, Shikamaru never leaves a job undone; if he can. He gives it his all. He's lazy when he's off duty. He refuses to do things that seem pointless to him. So if you were like him... you wouldn't post the way you do. >.>;;
I however, am constantly building my matrix. It's all a mindgame for me... In this way, I am not like him. I try to train my brain. His is just magically perfect.
Edit: I don't wanna argue with you, because I like you. :) Let's keep this polite and make it a debate! Let's both not jump to conclusions.
A Shikatard is a person who wants to be just like Shikamaru so bad that they lie to look like him, or are unaware or who he really is, and pretend to be like the stereotypical views of him. They also put on a Shikamaru face; walk around like they're him. I know most of them don't stalk him as much as I have. So I'm always on critique. They hate me for it because I catch their mistakes, they get pissed off and break character. The assholes they truly are break out.
I'm not really calling you that, but... well, maybe I did. Minus the asshole part; you're not an asshole. Nor are you stupid. You're smart. Quite bright, actually. But you're no genius. I don't think there are any geniuses here, including myself... Genius is such a big word, y'know?
Though people say I'm excelling, above average. If I was, I wouldn't be such a slacker. People like Shikamaru only exist in faerie tales.
Me: I don't think you understand. I know I'm nothing like Shikamaru. I would punch myself in the face if I were like Shikamaru.
However, I was too lazy to put in all the options, and I didn't fudge my answers. You said yourself that too many people get Shikamaru, so quiz makers must not understand his personality. If that's the case, me getting Shikamaru doesn't have to mean I'm 100% like him.
I don't think he suffers from anxiety, he just plans very very well. Considering how smart he is, it would make sense for him to solve problems and find solutions quickly enough not to have to worry about it alot.
Just because he finds women annoying doesn't mean he has sexual issues. Alot of guys I know think chicks are the biggest drags, but they'd ditch the boys to hang out with their girlfriends on the weekends. It's like saying "My wife's a huge bitch", but still kissing her when you come home.
Shikalee: Heh... sometimes I feel like it. Look, being a, "smart person lol" SUCKS BALLS. Everyone should be glad they're NORMAL. My head NEVER shuts up.
Exactly. That was my point. >.>
No, no. He does. My proof is:
1. He fidgets. Often. It's a nervous behavior.
2. He panics. He always does, but he manages to keep his cool.
3. He brushes EVERYTHING off, because it bothers him.
4. He sleeps WAY too much. For me, anyway, it's an escape.
Anxiety is not just worry. It is fear and, as is the root word, anxiousness. It is also just a nervous condition. Trust me, I know.
You're confused. I wasn't talking about sex. The better word would have been, "gender complex." The household he was raised in brought it on him. Dominating mother, recessive father in denial; Shikamaru took on that outlook. It is scientifically proven that we take on our parents to an at least subconcious level, which is where a lot of unexplained behavior comes from. He has NO reason to HATE girls besides his mother's behavior. "Drag" was the word used in the English version, and it's definition is rather different than the Japanese, "Mendokusee" which by definition doesn't even quite mean troublesome. It's hard to explain in English. You're saying it like he's a romantic; Shikamaru doesn't understand girls: AT ALL. That is what I ment when I said he had sexual issues. I don't mean he masturbates to man porn. I mean he's totally gender fucked up. He thinks he's such a manly man, or wants to be one. It's his little twisted dream. Though he understands when the coming of age his. My point is that his problems have always been ignored; and not even acknowledged by fans, because clearly, they just plain don't get it.
Me: Quote:
Heh... sometimes I feel like it. Look, being a, "smart person lol" SUCKS BALLS. Everyone should be glad they're NORMAL. My head NEVER shuts up. [/quote]
Are you perhaps suggesting I'm not as smart as you are?
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Exactly. That was my point. >.> [/quote]
So why do you think I'm lying about this?
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2. He panics. He always does, but he manages to keep his cool. [/quote]
Techincally, when you're panicking you're not keeping your cool.
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4. He sleeps WAY too much. For me, anyway, it's an escape. [/quote]
I sleep alot because I'm bored. My brother sleeps in almost every class because he's actually tired, not because it's some kind of escape.
I understand what the word means. What I don't understand is how wanting to be a 'manly man' gives him a gender complex.
Consider also, he's probably been around Ino alot since they were little.
I forgot to mention:
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People like Shikamaru only exist in faerie tales [/quote]
Have you ever met people who sleep through/skip classes, get the tests and figure out the equations while they're taking them?
Shikalee: Yes, actually. I don't believe them, but tests, people, and actions tell me I am highly exceeding in things such as math, memorization, observation, strategical thinking. You're probably smarter than me in other ways, but you're probably not as big of a thinker as me, either. Not many kids take college level TOK and Phycology.
I thought you were saying that the test made you like him. It was a missconception on my part. Sorry.
Not necessarily. Such technicalities are irrlevant; this isn't about semantics. Panicking is a state of mind, not body. It reaches the body, that is called anxiety. It does not have to reach the body, and make a person lose their control.
Because you're Shikamaru, right? Shikamaru isn't tired. Trust me. Nor is he bored. Not anymore, anyway. Back then, yes. So maybe you are right; he sleeps less, now. So maybe he was bored. OOH. Proved one wrong.
Fine. So you ignore the rest of the arguement? That's the part I don't get. You take out the one part you can pick at. What about the rest? The stuff that matters?
That has nothing to do with Shikamaru. One thing? Please. Not one thing makes people like him. People who skip classes are usually morons. He doesn't skip classes. His attendence is actually perfect; dispite the fact he sleeps through classes. It was Naruto who would ditch, and, back then, he was an idiot. Also, I don't get what you're trying to say, but I always finish tests in 5, 10 minutes tops, and then sleep through the rest of it. I am the only person in my grade who does that. My teachers consider it very strange.
I hate to snap at you, but I feel a need to say this: stop trying to mold him to be more like you. He is what he is. Just pick someone else you're like...
Me:Being as judgemental as you are leads me to believe you don't think as much as you say.
I'm picking out the things I can debate. Some things are based on opinion, and anything I say won't change your mind. The things I reply to I feel are the strongest points of your arguement. Anything else I don't find suitable to discuss.
I wasn't talking about you. Plenty of people do that though.
You keep telling me how smart you are, but can't seem to get the idea of me NOT LIKING SHIKAMARU through your head. I couldn't care less if he crossdressed and went to discos every saturday.
Shikalee:You're wrong. There is no doubt you are a very smart girl. But I'm different. Not autistic, but different in a similar manner. You're not getting it. It's my brain.
Well, you were wrong. The strongest part of my arguement was his mother's influence. So I think.
That's just a comeback. There's no proof, no credibility...
No, you're wrong. I never said I was so smart. I say, I think I'm smart. I know nothing. I also say I'm a thinker. But you obviously have a clear attachment to him. That's why you bother to argue about him weeks on end. I am CLEARLY attached to him. You denying it is almost ridiculous. Unless you just like arguing.
Edit: Sorry for saying wrong so many times. I just can't think of another word. I think it's a bit too stand-offish.
Me:I have no doubt his mother influenced him into hating women. That doesn't mean she's the only one. That's why I mentioned Ino. So you see, I didn't really ignore that part at all.
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT SHIKAMARU. When I came into the debate thread, you were all talking about Shikamaru. The last two tests, I got Shikamaru. That's the only reason. It's not like I bring him up at parties or some shit.
PS - DID I MENTION SHE'S MAKING A DOUJIN ABOUT AN OC NAMED HIKAUR WHO IS HIRED BY BAD GUYS TO KILL NARUTO BUT MISTAKES HIM FOR SHIKAMARU? LOLOLOLOLOLOLZ