"Green"...WTF?

Apr 23, 2009 10:04

Okay, so maybe this belongs on the Craigslist rants n' raves site, but, am I the only one getting tired of this word "green" getting thrown around everywhere? Everyone keeps talking about "green" this and "green energy" that like it's the answer to the world's problems. Just yesterday I was watching the news and this reporter says, "If everybody ( Read more... )

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tropicalghoti April 29 2009, 15:23:17 UTC
'I mean, there is a LARGE percentage of the world's population that doesn't even have safe food and running water.'
This can be directly attributed to global warming caused by faulty and harmful agricultural practices/ manufacturing practices. You don't think industrial runoff causes contaminated drinking water and factory farming causes diseased, hormone enriched, and contaminate food. Don't you see the connections between U.S. business practices and the poor quality of life in our and other countries? For example, Walmart probably contracts out to factories in China to produce those cheap light bulbs you love so much because they can pay criminally low wages to people working in dangerous conditions to make sure you get your light bulbs "at everyday low prices", meanwhile the amount of fuel they use to ship those cheap light bulbs from China could probably be used for something better, like maybe flying some nutrient rich, non-disease causing food rather than McDonalds to kids in third world countries so you don't have to see them on TV. Or hell, maybe we can work on feeding diabetic, obese, ghetto children in our own country fresh, healthy foods instead of shoving chemically altered fats and calories down their throats because it's cheaper.

'Technologies change every decade and every century, when Americans hit a problem someone always comes up with the technology to improve it, it's just a matter of time.'
Don't you think the green movement, the invention, fine tuning, and application of green energy and sustainable resources is an attempt at fixing the problem with renewable resources that we're facing now?

'Summary, it's great to try to save energy in your own home, but focusing on these little steps, in my mind, is not Practical, and I think the world has much more important problems that need to be focused on, especially in the media.'
Little steps are the easiest an most proactive things people can do to effect real change. You have to crawl before you can walk and taking any steps toward a progressive future involves a change in thinking which can best be accomplished by making small changes in your everyday life.

Also, quit asking so many freaking questions and look up the information for yourself. You're not an idiot but you keep proving your ignorance and lack effective thought with everyone of these rants you post.

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response, thoughts pam0284 April 30 2009, 02:18:27 UTC
First, I do appreciate that you took the time to respond to specific statements in my blog. I'm not sure what other rants I've raved, but I reserve the right to rant and be obnoxious about something that annoys me if I want to. I’m not the first person to be whiney on livejournal………besides, I enjoy having others take an opposing position, I can learn something.

It seems everyone who responded to my post was missing the point I was trying to make (what I was actually raving about). I wasn't trying to disparage the green movement or convert anyone here, what I was ACTUALLY bitching about was hypocrites in the media. I.E. the Wilmer Valderamma example. I am **NOT** against the more energy efficient lightbulbs, I think they're great, (even though I have read that the mercury used to power these fancy lightbulbs is also harming the environment when they are disposed of, something a friend posted in response to my FB thread that I didn't even know about...but just suspected). But not my point...I'm NOT against the lightbulbs, for some reason everyone that read my post thought that was the point of it. My point was that of course people will start seeing detrimental changes to the environment and look for alternative ways to do things...it's natural...technological progression. My complaint is that the media can take it to the extreme and I don't like extremism. And you start seeing hypocrisy, like the Wilmer Valderamma example. Or look at PETA.

I DO think it's important to distribute healthy organic food. I know b/c I grew up on that mcdonalds shit and now I'm paying the price. If I could afford organic, I would buy it. But again it's the natural progression of things...first things were mass produced in order to feed a large population, now a century later the next step is to get products to the masses not just economically but do so without harming the environment. But personally I'd rather eat shitty food than no food at all.

Also, I haven't done research on this, but I suspect the reason there are serious humanitarian issues in 3rd world countries is less due to our poor environmental practices and more due to political and economical issues within their own country. On a semi-related note: Business has to be created first before things can get better and it takes baby steps, but there has to be a political system in place that encourages business development and education. I hate the idea of people working for extreme minimal wages or in harmful conditions and that should be stopped. However, I had an international business professor put it into perspective for us once, (though I'm still not sure where I stand on exporting labor.) He said when he first went to Thailand that things were not very good economically, and you would see entire families loading onto the back of a 2 or 3 wheel bicycles and peddling around town and to work. He said 10 years later he went back- after some foreign factories and businesses had been set up the area (yes paying low wages) but when he returned the people weren't riding bicycles- more people were riding mopeds and driving small cars. So bringing business there helped the economy, and even though they didn't pay much, it was more than what they had, which was nothing- you know, THEIR government wasn't doing anything to help develop business, so....I dunno, I just thought that was interesting.

The global warming thing, sheesh…I don’t know where your stance is on this one. If global warming (and the other things u mentioned like toxic runoff) is so harmful to humans, how come so many of the commercials I see talk about the detriment to polar bears, rather than humans? Again, my issue is not with global warming, but how it’s presented in the media. The focus should be on what’s MORE important, it’s not that I don’t think EVERYTHING is important. I heart polar bears!

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Re: response, thoughts tropicalghoti April 30 2009, 12:38:09 UTC
I don't think you and i will ever see eye to eye on these issues because I don't think you see connections in the same places I do. I, by the way, am not saying your way of seeing is wrong, I'm saying we see progress, responsibility, and quality of life in completely different ways than one another. Where you see a connection between poor living conditions poor economic/ political conditions (which is absolutely the case) in the third world, I see those factors plus US businesses using it's economic might in an abusive way to ensure that policies made and resources available support their business agenda rather than improve conditions with their business. Incidentally, I was responding to your specific statement about food and water, which has definite and strong connections with our country's waste and agrobusiness. You would be amazed to learn just how connected these things are. Read Micheal Pollen's books, the Omnivore's Dilemma and In Defense of Food. He is really readable and really thorough. Also, where you equate a growing economy with a better quality of life, I, while not diminishing the importance of a strong economy, do not believe it is a magic bullet. In terms of your rant against the media, I did not understand that that was your point because you honestly didn't present it that way. It sounded more like a callous and cruel attack on something that has real importance should be embraced.

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Re: response, thoughts pam0284 April 30 2009, 13:08:00 UTC
Oh yeah, it was about the media. It was the Jon Stewart show that set me off. Damn u Jon!!!
Do you ever get the feeling that one organism on this earth can't live well unless another lives...not well? I'm not sure if that makes any sense but I'm not good at putting my thoughts into words. 'Sort of' like the idea of a competitive economy. Like one organism can't succeed unless another fails. Do you think it's the same with humans vs. animals or humans vs. earth? Sometimes thinking about this makes me sad. Do you think it's possible that the quality of life can be good AND continuously improve for all organisms on earth overall?

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