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Wow, I'd forgotten how dense people could be.
Annoying conversation on Infantry forums:
Hehe
*Me posts on a thread full of really stupid item ideas*:
I stopped reading after the proposal to give Infantry a weapon anything like AC.
Him:
Good for you Paladin go back to your anti-lame bunker and cry about how lame everything is (especially Infantry class)
Me:
I have never once complained about "shotgun lamers", "melee lamers", or anything of the sort. I'm just anti-stupid.
Him:
Well Im sorry that my ideas don't cater to your tastes Paladin, but you know I would appreciate a little more respect from you. I do deserve a little credit for trying to make weapons everyone would like instead of spattering out junk in a fit of envy.
If your calling my ideas stupid then you should just leave now. I don't see you coming up with anything. I guess since you think the OICW idea is stupid, you probably think the AR with a RG is stupid as well. If you would just read how the thing works you wouldn't act like such a smart-ass 'elitist' who thinks he is all that because he can rape a few newbies who just started the game an hour ago.
Me:
Actually, I'm average at best. I stated nowhere that I am "elite". However, I don't have to be to know a good idea from a bad one.
RGs are a very diffirent thing than an AC.
I can quite capably produce weapon ideas, I've toyed with a few in the past. I'm chief of design for my action/RPG's entire combat system. But, IMO, the forumula for Eol is set and most of these suggestions are just taking things way too far.
Him:
That is the way the OICW is in real life? I bet the soldiers that use this weapon wouldn't call it lame.
As for taking things too far? Weren't WZA and CM the most popular zones before Sony took over? They had hundreds of weapons, some outragous and some pathetic. You cannot tell me that I am taking things too far because as far as Im concerned, I am being rather conservative with the ideas. I base them off of real life physics and science. If you cannot realize this then I suggest you get off your computer and go read a book.
Furthermore you are making an RPG. Infantry ISN'T an RPG. You don't stand in classic fashion and wait for your 'turn' as someone punds you with a sword that is doing 1/500th the damage that it should be doing. This is a fluid environment where anything goes. Get a life please
Me:
Action RPG is very diffirent from those dorky FF RPGs. Action RPG -- think Infantry with an in depth plot that plays a heavy role in the game.
Secondly, this IS NOT real life. The OICW is cool, but this isn't real life. Real life, real war, you WANT balance issues. Not in a game, m'kay?
Him:
You sure it is a game for you? You seem to take it a little too seriously. I balance out my weapon ideas so that they are fair, yet realistically possible. I don't care about your RPG games. I don't play infantry so that I can play like Gandalf the Great or Hornwell the Hobbit or Krakton the Killer or Hogarth the Nave or Beezlip the Basher or Conan the Conquer. RPG weapons are different from Infantry's weapons simply because Infantry's weapons don't do turn-based HP damage.
Now instead of acting like a facist little boy why dont you read my ideas carefully and take them in an adult and mature fashion instead of stating how stupid and lame they were when you probably didn't even read past the first sentence.
Or are my words a little too complex for you?
Me:
Sigh.
The whole point of that is that I have a lot of experiance in this field, for the record its a cyberpunk RPG meaning Infantry style weapons and armors...
You're ideas are hardly balanced. If you insist I'll discect them all for you in demonstration.
You can stop the 'little boy' insults. I said they were stupid ideas, I have to go down the immature personal vein.
Him:
Go ahead and dissect them.. I can come up with a counter-arguement for everything you can come up with.
Who cares about what YOU call "balance". I bet if the PC was announced right now you would say the same thing. You are 1 person out of over a dozen that think my ideas suck. That means that statistically your kind would make up 1/6th of the entire Infantry community... the 1/6th being in my favor.
It doesn't matter how similar or dissimilar your RPG is to infantry, it is still and RPG and Infantry still ISNT an RPG. You can go ahead and care about what it can be, but I care about what it is, because most likely it is going to stay that way.
I don't care about what you think anymore. Your just another Elitist who doesn't like 1 idea, so tries to shove his opinion down everyones throat. I live in a democratic nation, not a facist totalitarian district. My ideas are my own and if everyone but you likes it so be it.
Me:
Yup. What I say doesn't matter. However, what Yankee says does.
From experiance, any BM here could tell you he is infinently more likely to be of my mind than yours.
Sorry, but that is just the way it is.
Him:
Not really. Yankee isn't a disrespectful punk that shoots down everyones ideas without giving them a thoughtful, mature, concise response. He doesn't call ideas stupid and compare them to some game that isn't even of the same kind. No he doesn't compare apples to oranges. He also doesn't try to force opinions on others, or to not even read ideas then automatically put them down just because he thinks they are lame.
No Yankee isn't like you...he is above you. In fact, everyone I have seen has shown more dignity than you. No...Yankee doesn't think like you. God help everyone if he did
Me:
read the idea about an Infantry autocannon, skimmed the rest, read the replies, and decided that these weapon ideas weren't going to work. I responded accordingly. I called them exactly what they were -- stupid ideas. I may be a 'disrespectful punk' but I at least know what will work and won't.
How much of Yankee have you seen exactly? I doubt he even reads threads with titles like this anymore. There have been many, MANY equally as 'well thought out' weapon threads, and how many of those do you think are worth reading? He's not stupid.
Bloody hell, can we STOP with that now? It was for explanation that I have experiance in the field. If it makes you feel any better, I have worked on games very much like Infantry (MM-arena-orientated-action) games. M'kay?
Rather reading into my words, aren't we.
I don't even know how to respond to that. I never said he was in any shape manner of form. I said he knows bad weapon ideas when he sees them.
Stop overreacting.
Him:To say that you responded in an according manner is like saying that Spet. 11 was justified. How can you even think that starting off with a hostile remark is an according, at the least an appropriate, response? What is wrong with you?
Obviously noone taught you proper socializing skills.
As for you "knowing" what works and what doesn't, you don't. You said yourself you 'skimmed' over the rest. You can't skim over any of it if you want to whole story. You don't even bother. You just browse through, stamp and F4 mark of it, then expect anyone to actually think you 'KNOW' what works and what doesn't? I can tell you don't like being proven wrong but so far you haven't provided enough moral substance or concise evidence to prove that my ideas...ALL of them...are stupid in any way, or even mediocre. So until you learn to talk like a human being and not like some Fanboy who thinks he is right and everyone is wrong, don't post.
Me:
And until you're willing to realize that perhaps the approval of a few new players isn't what you need to justify the implemenation of your ideas.
The biggest problem with your ideas is that the "The Cool" factor is not in tune with "The Reality" factor. Balance issues up the wazoo. As was said above, AP is MENT to be a rare attribute, it shouldn't be implemented all over the place. As it is I have five minutes left, when I get back I will dissect your proposals. Some of them might have more value than others, but few to any of them would be a good idea for implementation.
Something you might not seem to be realizing here is that when a few ideas don't work you can pretty much get the gist of what the rest are going to be like.
And can we please stop with the personal insults? Who is being immature here? You're getting horribly defensive just because your ideas might not work.
I will return with the fully analyzed report shortly.
Him:
Im not mad because my ideas might/might not work, I mad at how you reacted. Rude, inconsiderate, immature, and brutish......then you have the gall to tell me up front that you were none of these.
You think you made a wise account of what my ideas were, but you didn't review over them- you didn't critique them, you didn't try to balance them, and you didn't give me any suggestions. YOu BLATANTLY and downright insulted them without any sort of proof proving you right. You stomped right in like I killed one of your family members and insulted me and my ideas, then you deny the entire thing. Then you proceed to say that noone else will like the ideas because ou say so and your right and everyone is wrong and that the developer himself is your best friend or something like that. Don't even try to deny it. Your speech alludes towards the accusations I just layed out.
Im tired of replying to a hypocrit, and I don't want to fight with you seeing as your thicker in the head than 2 plywood boards nailed together. Your as obstinant as a bad rash, and persistant as a moth near a lightbulb. You WANT to prove me wrong, you NEED to prove me wrong. I don't know what kind of grudge you hold against me, but I don't like it.
Argue all you want, but the fact is that 12 new ppl who say my ideas are good is better than 1 ignorant hypocrit who thinks they are all wrong just because he didn't agree with the first idea.
And try to critique all you want. I can and WILL find any way of countering your pathetic attempts, including balancing it (whether you think it is balanced or not, because most likely it is).
Why dont you just go back to Everquest or Dugeons and Dragons or where-ever and take your immature, fanboyish attitude with you.
Other Guy:
THP>you
(hehe =p)
Me:
Dude, you really need to chill.
Thank you 7 :P
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What an idiot.
Annoying conversation on Infantry forums:
Hehe
*Me posts on a thread full of really stupid item ideas*:
I stopped reading after the proposal to give Infantry a weapon anything like AC.
Him:
Good for you Paladin go back to your anti-lame bunker and cry about how lame everything is (especially Infantry class)
Me:
I have never once complained about "shotgun lamers", "melee lamers", or anything of the sort. I'm just anti-stupid.
Him:
Well Im sorry that my ideas don't cater to your tastes Paladin, but you know I would appreciate a little more respect from you. I do deserve a little credit for trying to make weapons everyone would like instead of spattering out junk in a fit of envy.
If your calling my ideas stupid then you should just leave now. I don't see you coming up with anything. I guess since you think the OICW idea is stupid, you probably think the AR with a RG is stupid as well. If you would just read how the thing works you wouldn't act like such a smart-ass 'elitist' who thinks he is all that because he can rape a few newbies who just started the game an hour ago.
Me:
Actually, I'm average at best. I stated nowhere that I am "elite". However, I don't have to be to know a good idea from a bad one.
RGs are a very diffirent thing than an AC.
I can quite capably produce weapon ideas, I've toyed with a few in the past. I'm chief of design for my action/RPG's entire combat system. But, IMO, the forumula for Eol is set and most of these suggestions are just taking things way too far.
Him:
That is the way the OICW is in real life? I bet the soldiers that use this weapon wouldn't call it lame.
As for taking things too far? Weren't WZA and CM the most popular zones before Sony took over? They had hundreds of weapons, some outragous and some pathetic. You cannot tell me that I am taking things too far because as far as Im concerned, I am being rather conservative with the ideas. I base them off of real life physics and science. If you cannot realize this then I suggest you get off your computer and go read a book.
Furthermore you are making an RPG. Infantry ISN'T an RPG. You don't stand in classic fashion and wait for your 'turn' as someone punds you with a sword that is doing 1/500th the damage that it should be doing. This is a fluid environment where anything goes. Get a life please
Me:
Action RPG is very diffirent from those dorky FF RPGs. Action RPG -- think Infantry with an in depth plot that plays a heavy role in the game.
Secondly, this IS NOT real life. The OICW is cool, but this isn't real life. Real life, real war, you WANT balance issues. Not in a game, m'kay?
Him:
You sure it is a game for you? You seem to take it a little too seriously. I balance out my weapon ideas so that they are fair, yet realistically possible. I don't care about your RPG games. I don't play infantry so that I can play like Gandalf the Great or Hornwell the Hobbit or Krakton the Killer or Hogarth the Nave or Beezlip the Basher or Conan the Conquer. RPG weapons are different from Infantry's weapons simply because Infantry's weapons don't do turn-based HP damage.
Now instead of acting like a facist little boy why dont you read my ideas carefully and take them in an adult and mature fashion instead of stating how stupid and lame they were when you probably didn't even read past the first sentence.
Or are my words a little too complex for you?
Me:
Sigh.
The whole point of that is that I have a lot of experiance in this field, for the record its a cyberpunk RPG meaning Infantry style weapons and armors...
You're ideas are hardly balanced. If you insist I'll discect them all for you in demonstration.
You can stop the 'little boy' insults. I said they were stupid ideas, I have to go down the immature personal vein.
Him:
Go ahead and dissect them.. I can come up with a counter-arguement for everything you can come up with.
Who cares about what YOU call "balance". I bet if the PC was announced right now you would say the same thing. You are 1 person out of over a dozen that think my ideas suck. That means that statistically your kind would make up 1/6th of the entire Infantry community... the 1/6th being in my favor.
It doesn't matter how similar or dissimilar your RPG is to infantry, it is still and RPG and Infantry still ISNT an RPG. You can go ahead and care about what it can be, but I care about what it is, because most likely it is going to stay that way.
I don't care about what you think anymore. Your just another Elitist who doesn't like 1 idea, so tries to shove his opinion down everyones throat. I live in a democratic nation, not a facist totalitarian district. My ideas are my own and if everyone but you likes it so be it.
Me:
Yup. What I say doesn't matter. However, what Yankee says does.
From experiance, any BM here could tell you he is infinently more likely to be of my mind than yours.
Sorry, but that is just the way it is.
Him:
Not really. Yankee isn't a disrespectful punk that shoots down everyones ideas without giving them a thoughtful, mature, concise response. He doesn't call ideas stupid and compare them to some game that isn't even of the same kind. No he doesn't compare apples to oranges. He also doesn't try to force opinions on others, or to not even read ideas then automatically put them down just because he thinks they are lame.
No Yankee isn't like you...he is above you. In fact, everyone I have seen has shown more dignity than you. No...Yankee doesn't think like you. God help everyone if he did
Me:
read the idea about an Infantry autocannon, skimmed the rest, read the replies, and decided that these weapon ideas weren't going to work. I responded accordingly. I called them exactly what they were -- stupid ideas. I may be a 'disrespectful punk' but I at least know what will work and won't.
How much of Yankee have you seen exactly? I doubt he even reads threads with titles like this anymore. There have been many, MANY equally as 'well thought out' weapon threads, and how many of those do you think are worth reading? He's not stupid.
Bloody hell, can we STOP with that now? It was for explanation that I have experiance in the field. If it makes you feel any better, I have worked on games very much like Infantry (MM-arena-orientated-action) games. M'kay?
Rather reading into my words, aren't we.
I don't even know how to respond to that. I never said he was in any shape manner of form. I said he knows bad weapon ideas when he sees them.
Stop overreacting.
Him:To say that you responded in an according manner is like saying that Spet. 11 was justified. How can you even think that starting off with a hostile remark is an according, at the least an appropriate, response? What is wrong with you?
Obviously noone taught you proper socializing skills.
As for you "knowing" what works and what doesn't, you don't. You said yourself you 'skimmed' over the rest. You can't skim over any of it if you want to whole story. You don't even bother. You just browse through, stamp and F4 mark of it, then expect anyone to actually think you 'KNOW' what works and what doesn't? I can tell you don't like being proven wrong but so far you haven't provided enough moral substance or concise evidence to prove that my ideas...ALL of them...are stupid in any way, or even mediocre. So until you learn to talk like a human being and not like some Fanboy who thinks he is right and everyone is wrong, don't post.
Me:
And until you're willing to realize that perhaps the approval of a few new players isn't what you need to justify the implemenation of your ideas.
The biggest problem with your ideas is that the "The Cool" factor is not in tune with "The Reality" factor. Balance issues up the wazoo. As was said above, AP is MENT to be a rare attribute, it shouldn't be implemented all over the place. As it is I have five minutes left, when I get back I will dissect your proposals. Some of them might have more value than others, but few to any of them would be a good idea for implementation.
Something you might not seem to be realizing here is that when a few ideas don't work you can pretty much get the gist of what the rest are going to be like.
And can we please stop with the personal insults? Who is being immature here? You're getting horribly defensive just because your ideas might not work.
I will return with the fully analyzed report shortly.
Him:
Im not mad because my ideas might/might not work, I mad at how you reacted. Rude, inconsiderate, immature, and brutish......then you have the gall to tell me up front that you were none of these.
You think you made a wise account of what my ideas were, but you didn't review over them- you didn't critique them, you didn't try to balance them, and you didn't give me any suggestions. YOu BLATANTLY and downright insulted them without any sort of proof proving you right. You stomped right in like I killed one of your family members and insulted me and my ideas, then you deny the entire thing. Then you proceed to say that noone else will like the ideas because ou say so and your right and everyone is wrong and that the developer himself is your best friend or something like that. Don't even try to deny it. Your speech alludes towards the accusations I just layed out.
Im tired of replying to a hypocrit, and I don't want to fight with you seeing as your thicker in the head than 2 plywood boards nailed together. Your as obstinant as a bad rash, and persistant as a moth near a lightbulb. You WANT to prove me wrong, you NEED to prove me wrong. I don't know what kind of grudge you hold against me, but I don't like it.
Argue all you want, but the fact is that 12 new ppl who say my ideas are good is better than 1 ignorant hypocrit who thinks they are all wrong just because he didn't agree with the first idea.
And try to critique all you want. I can and WILL find any way of countering your pathetic attempts, including balancing it (whether you think it is balanced or not, because most likely it is).
Why dont you just go back to Everquest or Dugeons and Dragons or where-ever and take your immature, fanboyish attitude with you.
Other Guy:
THP>you
(hehe =p)
Me:
Dude, you really need to chill.
Thank you 7 :P
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What an idiot.